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Xbox Wants Out of the Console War - (IGN Next-Gen Console Watch Podcast)
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
That was fucking embarrassing.
Is it really a controversial thing to point out that for the past 15 years (at least) Xbox has been run into the ground by shitty management decisions?
They good at raising the ghost of "arrogant" Sony, but where's the "incompetent" Xbox jabs ?
Because lets be absolutely real here, Sony haven't done anything extraordinary to out-compete Xbox. The state of Xbox today is entirely a result of their own ***unforced*** errors.
Sony didn't push them into the DRM debacle of the original plan for Xbone, they didn't force them into sacrificing their first party to the altar of a supposed "Netflix of gaming" that nobody ever really wanted, and they certainly didn't force them into running their core franchises into the ground and offering very little else but empty promises as a first party for over a decade!
Nobody has been more "arrogant" than Microsoft in the history of gaming by expecting their super-loyal fanbase to put up with this shit for 2 successive generations!
And these incompetents are now the biggest third-party outfit in the business... Well gee, I feel so fucking confident in their stewardship based on this track record!
DeepEnigma
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They're paid to lie. Like new personalities and the like,
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Astray
Member
We all cope with adversity in our own ways.
demigod
Member
Are you saying they thought Sony would release the PS5 and PS5 Pro at the same time?
ResilientBanana
Member
Does it matter? I don't buy a PC because it's cheap. I buy it because I like the versatility. Not to mention, if I spend $2500 today, I'll have a PC that can last 10 - 12 years like I have now that will still be alive after I purchase a new one. My PC I purchased a while back can still play games that come out today at native resolutions and maybe medium to high settings.
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HeisenbergFX4
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Nahh the PS5 Pro started planning phase before the PS5 release which is almost always the case for these products
Mike and Phil got the papers on the Pro a couple of months before the PS5 launched but they didn't know anything about PSSR
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
Good for you, but the average buyer doesn't think that way and certainly won't choose a $2500 PC over a console.
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ResilientBanana
Member
Sure, I'd maybe go the used route, but you're not going to get anything substantial at that price. That is true.
yet console gaming seems to be getting less and less exclusives as time moves forward and seemingly are taking longer to make. The games they do make with massive budgets are also rife with politics. Your precious Sony also makes you spend extra money to buy "remastered" PS5 games that are just resolution bumps that utilize high graphic settings that were already apparent on the pc ports if they already existed. Consoles are quite literally for kids and people that have shit jobs to get them by. Meanwhile the same mother fuckers that take their time talking about the value of console gaming also use Steam numbers to prove their point with console game sales.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
That may well be true, but until consoles sales begin to shift away from the successful devices in any meaningful capacity, the two top options will remain the go to platforms for the masses. Saying "just buy a PC and Switch" ignores the real meat of the discussion. People are going to be buying PS6s and Switch 2s in droves because that's where the market is heading. I don't expect to see an uptick in pre-built PC purchases big enough to steal that away anytime soon.
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GHG
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Mibu no ookami
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Nobody’s swapping to PC. Fuck astroturfed agitprop too.
The number of people who are going to be willing to drop 1000+ dollars to get on PC is going to be super small. Definitely some of the most hardcore and online fans will do it, but the casual gamers? They're not going to follow them. They're just going to pick up PS5 and PS6.
iHaunter
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I called it two years ago. They need to pull out of hardware and focus on game and cloud services.
laynelane
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UltimaKilo
Gold Member
Watch the video. They're not shuttering their console business, only publishing fully on other hardware. Should other hardware falter, or get too complacent (and over-charge), they could always move to XBOX, PC or Nintendo.
The reality of the ground is that even if you sold your bloated, expensive software to every single consumer who owns a console, it is no longer enough, or the margins are far too thin, at best. This is why Nintendo has the healthiest (for now) business model: higher margins on both hardware and software.
SNY is also now diversified on PC, and possibly, some IPs being allowed on Nintendo while trying to sell "Pro" consoles which have much bigger margins.
We are going through a transition.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
As a PC gamer I want the Xbox bootlickers to stay away from PC. You never liked PC before and now that you have nowhere else to go, don't pretend like you always belonged where I stand. Clearly those who still play on Xbox lack independent thinking skills and can only obey orders, which is not what PC gamers are about. Green Rats are not good enough for PC gaming. In PC gaming we are a bunch of skeptics.I suspect we're going to see a lot more of this as well as general shitting on consoles (possible inclusion of generalizing/insulting console players for the really far gone) in tandem with Xbox hardware's collapsing sales. War never changes and all that.
FeralEcho
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David B
An Idiot
I own over 500 games across PS12345. So overall it's hard to admit the gaming is going to go PC one day in the future but it is. But Sony did make a PS9 comercial in the past about the future of course. So will there be a PS6, PS7, PS8, PS9, before they go PC? We have no idea if they will or not. I have no question if PS6 is coming, we know it is, 3 or 4 years anyway. It's hard to say if there will be a PS7 though or Sony will just go "We have all of our games on PC now and PC is our future, please keep gaming on Windows." But you know in the future if you'll be alive or not, I really think that Sony and Nintendo even will go to PC. Even Nintendo will see oh hey, um, we're at PC level graphics now, so let's all go PC now. Nintendo might still make handhelds though in the future. Microsoft eventually will stop making consoles as well of course.
You're going to see a lot more of those stupid "PC and Nintendo is all you need!!!" posts.
playbignbox
Member
This combination only makes sense for those who are impatient and can't wait 1 year, because that's usually the time it takes for most games to be ported (see FF7 Rebirth and Stellar Blade).
Not to mention that if you have a PC with better specs than the PS5, which is not as expensive as some are saying in this thread, choosing to play the PlayStation 5 version first means choosing to play the inferior version to the one you could on your PC soon.
hououinkyouma00
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What kind of gaming pc are you using that it's lasted you 10-12 years?...
playbignbox
Member
You can complain about users who say this, but unfortunately Sony has taken away some of the competitive advantages of its platform, to the point where it has made the PC an option that replaces the PlayStation. If I were you, I would complain to Sony, not to the users.
Synastry
Member
Nahh I have 0 interest in throwing my PS5 out and replacing it with a gaming PC.
I agree they have done that with their PC porting. But it doesn't make these statements any less dumb since PS5 and Switch is technically all anyone needs as it is even more comprehensive and way cheaper. Heck, you could probably buy a PS5, Switch, and a Macbook for the cost of a capable PC.
Even if Sony didn't bring a single game to PC you would still see the same "PC and Nintendo!" posts from astrotufers and disgruntled xbox fanboys.
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ResilientBanana
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8700K
GTX 1080 (recently upgraded to RTX3070 for $100)
16GB RAM (recently upgraded to 32GB RAM)
Im building new and will be repurposing my old pc as a steam box of sorts. And will last the next 4-6 years as is without any further modifications.
As long as they make games that work on PS5 and Xbox Series, sure as shit those games will work for that PC.
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playbignbox
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Which is no surprise from a user using the PlayStation logo as their profile picture lolNahh I have 0 interest in throwing my PS5 out and replacing it with a gaming PC.
I replaced it and I regret not replacing it sooner.
But the point is that the PS5 is replaceable in terms of content, so there's no point in getting upset with comments saying that the Switch+PC combination is all you need.
The PS5 + Switch combination is only equivalent to the PC + Switch combination if you ignore the 40+ years of gaming history that the PC can cover and all the possibilities.
Not to mention that you have to be satisfied with the PS5's performance, which I definitely wasn't when I sold mine, seeing games like FF7 Rebirth blurry or Wukong with performance mode using frame gen and still not reaching a stable 60fps.
Regarding the price, a PC more capable than the PS5 doesn't cost the equivalent of a Switch + PS5 + MacBook, but I won't argue too much about that because I don't know what country you live in.
Synastry
Member
Yeah my avatar really gives me away to what kinda gamer I am.
Your just mad you cant push your pc agenda on me.
reinking
Gold Member
You don't seem to grasp the point that there are millions of people that just do not want to play games on PC. Period. That is how consoles were born. Some of you act like PC gaming is something new. LOL.
playbignbox
Member
I didn't understand why you quoted that comment, the user I replied to was talking about the PC+PS5 combination, so my comment wasn't about those who don't want to play games on PC, but about those who want the PC+PS5 combination.
David B
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You see, he made a point and you made a counter point. Touche! I don't like gaming on PC much either because of how Windows doesn't work so good and not all games are guaranteed controller support like consoles are.
Unknown?
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Glad you're unwittingly admitting that Switch isn't a console.
Happy trails! ^_^
reinking
Gold Member
I apologize for taking your reply out of context.
However, looking at the context of your comment, I would still disagree if someone is not a fan of Nintendo games (or a big fan of PlayStation games), the reason I would choose PC + PlayStation is because we already know all Xbox games are coming to PC. Sony has never said all of their games will come to PC and they have said their focus is still the PlayStation console. Will they change that stance in the future?
For the record, I have always owned all consoles + keep a *good enough PC to game on. It is no big deal to me what people choose. One thing I would never do is try to sell someone on what system I want. It should always be based around what they are looking for.
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laynelane
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I apologize for taking your reply out of context.
However, looking at the context of your comment, I would still disagree if someone is not a fan of Nintendo games (or a big fan of PlayStation games), the reason I would choose PC + PlayStation is because we already know all Xbox games are coming to PC. Sony has never said all of their games will come to PC and they have said their focus is still the PlayStation console. Will they change that stance in the future?
For the record, I have always owned all consoles + keep a *good enough PC to game on. It is no big deal to me what people choose. One thing I would never do is try to sell someone on what system I want. It should always be based around what they are looking for.
That's my outlook too. Everyone has their preferences and the wisest course of action is simply to accept that reality. That said, there does seem to be an issue with people simply not understanding why others don't have their same preferences. I once had someone get very upset with me for not gaming on PC. I buy physical, always have and always will. That rules out PC, not to mention I'm happy gaming on console. More and more, though, it seems like there's this push to convince people to go PC - I'm thinking of that tweet on the first page. That kind of stuff is just tiresome and seems to only be growing in frequency.
SkylineRKR
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Which are big ifs at this point. If they come at all, and if they are good ports. Because despite better specs, Spider Man 2 PC is a train wreck.
Some games didn't come, and probably don't come. Astro Bot is a recent example, we don't know.
In MS case its 100% certain their games are day one PC. You're set.