Reality is that Playstation is doing very well, despite what some naysayers are claiming.
This doesn't explain why Sony is curb-stomping the competition and carrying the console market.
You say that while the latest SoP was almost exclusively non-gaas, AA/indie content (minus that one game Splitgate).
True. But then what? Polls are useless? Actual game unit sales are useless? Those are all we have to go on. Profit margins are a metric of how well Sony are running their ship. GT7 unit sales versus margins should give a good indicator that Sony have been extremely smart with their business (as they should be). But it's not a measure of what the market wants from them
No to shinobi.
Then maybe we should acknowledge the fact that most of the time, we know fuck all about how these companies run their business.
Well I'm certainly not one of them and I do agree that PlayStation is doing very well. I'm specifically talking about perception of the brand and hoping for better management of it
Good on them.
We are, or you are?
They are not useless, they just can't be taken at face value. Should be adjusted and especially filtered off loud minority pushing their agenda.
GT7 unit sales estimations (14.4m by GTPlanet) puts it very close to the top, which it would claim very soon as game continue selling. So probably what you wants GT be and what market wants GT be are different things.
As long as I've got games to play, Idc who publishes/develops them.
Strong as ever, going by general population. Sony wouldn't win console battle, obliterating MS to nothingness, if they would have problems with perception of the brand.
Well, E3 died for SOPs and Showcases. Then Sony gave the middle finger to showcases.
Sure. All I'm advocating for is to get a pulse of gamers and actively use it as a feedback loop to get better. Sony should not dismiss all of it as as agenda driven nonsense, is all I'm saying.
Like selling 9.5M PS5s in one quarter despite being priced higher than at launch?
Exactly that. Got software unit sales trends of Sony IP to show how healthy each IP is? That's worth talking about, not what Sony's profits are.
They're slow af over there too, tbh. Does Lost Soul Aside have a release date yet? It was revealed like 10 years ago. I know that the game allegedly started as a one man project, but I don't trust any story coming out of China.
The view counts on the trailers for those games speak for themselves.
What you and Colin don't get is that this flood of games isn't impressive to people.
Because, to Hermen's credit, they are getting cancelled instead of being stillborn. Again, I'm not even suggesting all their IPs are struggling. Just that that's a better conversation to have than "Sony making tons of money guys, you are all delusional".
Pulse of what? That there is just one of many opinion?
Those data from US and US racing games declined over years, so they are not particularly accurate. And I never actually propose to use revenue as a metric for performance. It is misleading. So is unit sales. The market itself can shrunk due shifting consumer behavior and even if games is good and brand is strong it still see a decline. It's even worse when we are talk not about paid games where you have to pay to state your opinion, but something free, and forums polls are free. Free games metrics are easily manipulated, unstable and can be reasonably judged only on prolonged time series, otherwise it's quite easy to fall into trap of false success.
Sackboy Adventures, every first party VR title, Returnal, even Rift Apart seemed to be on the borderline there.
Astro bot was greenlit under Hulst though.
Affect other parts of their player base? Which part of the player base is affected by planning and managing better state of plays and having a more streamlined release schedule? Who is affected by doing anything better? Isn't that the topic here? People being disappointed about the State of Play? The point of getting a pulse of enthusiasts, the primary consumers of a State of Play, and adapting is to simply better align expectations to their output. That's it. I'm not telling them how to run their business based on my feedback. I'm just saying they should take my feedback. Period. And by "me", I mean the enthusiast community and all the different views. Feedback isn't just one thing or just what I personally want. I mean all of it. Just want them to be more receptive.
I get it. What you don't get is that to the vast majority, it's a non-issue.
Lego horizon was successful?
What about the billions they lost with all the cancelled games? The opportunity costs. Yea everything is fine as long as I can play third party games.
Forgot about those. Lol
In your defense I think Destruction All-Stars might actually be 2nd party, and I forget that every time.
People like to rant about failings, while ignoring successes.
The games are not coming. I have developed a hatred for "Let them cook!!"
Why would it be in my defense? Playstation is not my company.
I just meant it's not officially a PS studios game, so it might not really count for the context of the discussion.
I feel like you are using my posts to criticize others. Lol. I'm neither talking about their failings nor their successes. Just their current way of marketing their games and what discourse would be productive
I guess you're right. 2nd party still makes it a Playstation published game, so a failure is still an L for PS.
As said before, this just comes off very Xbox 360-ish. A weak competitor platform and an over reliance on 3rd party titles. Only this time, the 3rd parties aren't even doing their job. The market is staking the last 5 years of this decade on one game.
Could be. Sometimes I use posts as jumping boards and it might not necessarily be a direct response to the person I'm replying to. Lol
To me it looks more like PS3, where Sony is restructuring during the first half and gets into their stride during the second half. We'll probably not see the actual results until next-gen, like we did last-gen.
I hope so, but that doesn't change the fact that this gen is washed.
