GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
my friends is dei mostly flopping annnd monies lost badddd most sales bomba??
will they get rid of it or will it survive??
will they get rid of it or will it survive??
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DEI in gaming flopping bad or here now to stay??
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RetroGamingUK
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It’s not over until this man says it is…
My advice, stick to Japanese, Korean and Chinese games
Everything coming out of the US and Canada is poisoned with this shit and it’s not going away until the influencer investors change their ways.
My advice, stick to Japanese, Korean and Chinese games
Everything coming out of the US and Canada is poisoned with this shit and it’s not going away until the influencer investors change their ways.
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Nickolaidas
Member
Not sure if that's even English, but if you are asking if wokeness in games is dying, then the answer is ... not yet.
Companies need to fire a LOT of activists and do some serious restructuring and brainstorming to save themselves.
Games are too expensive and too focused on satisfying investors. This needs to change.
Devs need to stop focusing on useless things like hairs on female cheeks or number of eyelashes and use their resources where it counts.
Wokeness is just ONE aspect of the problems the gaming industry is facing today.
Companies need to fire a LOT of activists and do some serious restructuring and brainstorming to save themselves.
Games are too expensive and too focused on satisfying investors. This needs to change.
Devs need to stop focusing on useless things like hairs on female cheeks or number of eyelashes and use their resources where it counts.
Wokeness is just ONE aspect of the problems the gaming industry is facing today.
PeteBull
Member
It will take time, many games nowadays take north of 6 years to make, lets see new gta6 how it looks and if its infected with woke virus, if it is we know even juggernaut couldnt fight it off easily, if its still proper old gta like previous parts in the series- u know hope is there for gaming business to become healthy in few years.
Given the reactions you get when you say Vavra is a sellout, that are completely incoherent with the majority of what people were saying in 2018, i think it's just going to transform into something less offensive for the average normie.
It's not going to be about activism it's going to be about political correctness.
It's not going to be about activism it's going to be about political correctness.
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Nickolaidas
Member
Story will suffer, I think. Didn't the main writer of the IP left the company or something?
mansoor1980
Member
it will hibernate , but will come back stronger than before
DeltaPolarBear
Member
It's what happens when people who don't play games, try to make games.
The issue isn't even DEI, it is that DEI activists think videogames are bad and thus do not want to make a good game to begin with. This is just what happens when you tell a Vegan to make Roast Pork.
Economics will work things out. It's just that the long game production time meant it took a long time before people realize something went wrong. Recent news that Wonder Woman game is cancelled/abandoned suggest that the wheels are turning.
While the Western gaming fix itself, may I interest you in a variety of Chinese, Japanese , and Korean titles? It would be Next Gen by the time the West get their heads out of their asses.
The issue isn't even DEI, it is that DEI activists think videogames are bad and thus do not want to make a good game to begin with. This is just what happens when you tell a Vegan to make Roast Pork.
Economics will work things out. It's just that the long game production time meant it took a long time before people realize something went wrong. Recent news that Wonder Woman game is cancelled/abandoned suggest that the wheels are turning.
While the Western gaming fix itself, may I interest you in a variety of Chinese, Japanese , and Korean titles? It would be Next Gen by the time the West get their heads out of their asses.
PeteBull
Member
Gotta wait and see, for now we got short reveal trailer that we cant even be sure is of same quality as gameplay in actual game gonna be, from what i saw snippets in there are prerendered, most looks like in engine.
Thats how lil we still know about it.
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RetroGamingUK
Member
The way western companies are going this will probably be the only choice next gen.
The_Observer
Member
It’s over. If the power behind it is dismantled (e.g. USAID) then no developer will force it because it will be suicide going forward.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Indeed, people are ignorant to think the evils of communism went away in the 90s
It’s a bigger threat to the west now than ever
Look beyond the blue haired goblins and look at who’s pulling the strings behind the scene
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duck_sauce
Member
This thread perfectly summarizes the state of GAF these days.
GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
biggest porblem is devs now dei blue hair make crud games nort like jarpanese mens and carmack
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RetroGamingUK
Member
biggest porblem is devs now dei blue hair make crud games nort like jarpanese mens and carmack
before
Japan still has those great men running the show, don’t project the west’s problems onto Asia
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JimmyRustler
Member
Here to stay I’m afraid. Hopefully new studios that are created are more careful when hiring for new people. For the existing studios? Nothing will change. They have to shut down. If anyone think ND and Bioware will get non-woke ever again is deluded.
freemandos
Member
If this trend is already fading in other industries, videogames won't be an exception. Videogame industry is just...slower. Will it have a comeback? I don't know. At least another annoying trend will be, as always.
ClanOfNone
Member
It’s the pendulum swinging, as it always does. Hopefully I’ll be dead before it starts the return trip to insanity next time.
TrebleShot
Member
The cash tells us it's about to go the way of the dodo.
Too much risk in it. Not sure where the drive came from originally no one asked for it. It was a desperate attempt to find a popular niche that doesn't exist.
There's been failure after failure after failure with significant job losses and cash burned on terrible investments into it.
So I'd imagine any ceo or company out there looking to head in that direction is barking up the wrong tree.
Make good products that people want and the money will flow.
Too much risk in it. Not sure where the drive came from originally no one asked for it. It was a desperate attempt to find a popular niche that doesn't exist.
There's been failure after failure after failure with significant job losses and cash burned on terrible investments into it.
So I'd imagine any ceo or company out there looking to head in that direction is barking up the wrong tree.
Make good products that people want and the money will flow.
RetroGamingUK
Member
If anyone’s wondering why Ubisoft went woke…
corporate.vanguard.com
This isn’t coming from blue haired gen-z gimps manipulating themselves into positions, it’s coming from the people who own these studios who have more power than you could imagine.
DEI - Our differences make us stronger
We are committed to an inclusive and equitable workplace that values diversity at every level of the organization.
This isn’t coming from blue haired gen-z gimps manipulating themselves into positions, it’s coming from the people who own these studios who have more power than you could imagine.
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LectureMaster
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Tokio Blues
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It's over for the next 5 years or so, it will become a niche with random games and GAF praying all of them.
tylrdiablos
Member
Feels like it's still up in the air at the moment.
It seems like 90% of gamers either don't like it or don't care about it. Whereas the remaining 10% are extremely vocal about it and that's encouraging publishing to keep pushing it... provided sales are still healthy.
It seems like 90% of gamers either don't like it or don't care about it. Whereas the remaining 10% are extremely vocal about it and that's encouraging publishing to keep pushing it... provided sales are still healthy.
Came to post this. You are correct.
deeptech
Member
I think, after all that happened lately, especially last few weeks/days, it's being weakened, it's going to decline, how much IDK really. What also may happen is that ordinary game design and art may return and get released along with some woke nonsense, western devs may be more free than before.
Most definitely, after the big recent uncovering, it's getting fucked. I personally always wondered how such a small minority, such fringe of fringes can get so powerful, it was obvious all along, private/corporate funding and push towards social/political destabilization, division and conflict.
Most definitely, after the big recent uncovering, it's getting fucked. I personally always wondered how such a small minority, such fringe of fringes can get so powerful, it was obvious all along, private/corporate funding and push towards social/political destabilization, division and conflict.
CoreyFlawless
Member
It come back. There big group of activists that wants to control the media and have part of the government helping funding them. Pretty much, u keep bringing up these ideals and it just become normal and ppl think it always been like that
RetroGamingUK
Member
In a way the blue-haired idiots are as much victims as anyone else.
The focus should be on the puppet masters, not the puppets
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MrTroubleMaker
Member
The rot is probably to deep ....
TommyCronin6969
Member
OP what does DEI stand for and also please spell it without looking it up.
RetroGamingUK
Member
If you guys think EA will change just because of Veilguard then you’re clueless.
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Barakov
Member
Destroy Everything Intentionally. That's what it stands for despite what they claim.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Didn’t. Earn. It.
xrnzaaas
Member
It's going to be a long process, but it's coming. Making games, even indie titles, has become super expensive. You need to start thinking about making profit sooner or later, besides all of the interested parties already know & see why some products are flopping. They may say other things in public, but yeah, they know.
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CliffBronger
Member
Looks like USAID had a hand in all this crap going on in gaming.
Tams
Member
Wrong. It's discrimination.
Now, the intentions might have been okay, but that doesn't change the harm it has done.
RetroGamingUK
Member
Indeed, California’s done for, don’t expect any non woke entertainment from there.
lmimmfn
Member
DEI is wrong, everything should be merit based, if the best person for a job is some blue hair 20 stone trans then fine, the job should be theirs.
lifa-cobex
Member
DEI only works in a self contained and highly moderated system.
Out in the wild. It dies a quick death.
Out in the wild. It dies a quick death.
deeptech
Member
Among others for sure. The would be slavemasters really depend on people fighting among each other, so as to divert their attention from real changes and problems. It's maybe unfortunate, people interested in games don't want to touch anything political, but that's being limited and partial within ones thinking. I was the same, but how can we ignore the political/ideological influences on this artform we love and enjoy? Especially one who is older and cares deeply for it, we as kids didn't have to deal with this sickness like todays young does. I personally can't stand when I see reason and common sense get devalued and pissed on so insanely.
Mozzarella
Member
I don't know lets hope its gone and games will go back to be about games rather than owning a side you dont like.
I like games for their merits things like level design, good gameplay and writing and artistic design, but recently a lot of games are not made with care, instead they preach at you or they start to waste resources on things that dont matter and neglect things that do.
I see that investors and all those scandals about USAID are going to be interesting now that they got exposed, but the hard truth that a lot of people refuse to see is that a lot of devs in the west are simply left-leaning or liberal they genuinely believe the stuff they are pushing for, so you might as well either replace them with new blood/talent or just look elsewhere for games, with this thing exposed and slandered, hopefully more devs (new blood) will emerge and start forming studios, because if you think i will believe for a second that a lot of the current devs are going to reflect on their design and change then you are going to be disappointed, you can shit on blackrock all you want but at the end of the day, the actual devs are enablers.
I like games for their merits things like level design, good gameplay and writing and artistic design, but recently a lot of games are not made with care, instead they preach at you or they start to waste resources on things that dont matter and neglect things that do.
I see that investors and all those scandals about USAID are going to be interesting now that they got exposed, but the hard truth that a lot of people refuse to see is that a lot of devs in the west are simply left-leaning or liberal they genuinely believe the stuff they are pushing for, so you might as well either replace them with new blood/talent or just look elsewhere for games, with this thing exposed and slandered, hopefully more devs (new blood) will emerge and start forming studios, because if you think i will believe for a second that a lot of the current devs are going to reflect on their design and change then you are going to be disappointed, you can shit on blackrock all you want but at the end of the day, the actual devs are enablers.
RoboFu
One of the green rats
Well that's just it isn't ? Only having 280 lb blue hair trans people isn't true diversity is it. Dei now is really " let's only add trans and butch lesbians to everything" it's actually more woman destroying than anything.
That's why it fails now. I personally think we were more diverse in games before this scam of a movement took place. We had all sorts of races and strong women in games before.
Which is why I say the overall idea is okay, but we were already headed that way.
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