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[Chuck Berry]

So I've been playing this franchise since 1987 and have seen the ups and downs and constant changes that it provides to the players in terms of its scope, gameplay, writing, etc. Favs include 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15 and now this one.

I think 16 is one of the most impressive and coolest audio visual entertainment pieces of any medium Ive ever experienced. Im not hot on the down time side missions in between the big story beat chapters, but there's some occasional good ones in there. Not Witcher 3 tier, but they'll border on it at random. For me, the combat, writing, and soundtrack and god damn the story. The story guys. Thats what carries me through this amazing experience so far.

There's a lot of FF4 in here. ALOT. So much so that it makes me wonder if they're at all connected in some weird way. For anyone that doesnt think this is a "real" FF game, you either havent played them all or are just being purposefully ignorant about the franchises history. Nearly every single entry is different from the last and this is no different.

And Im no weeb, but if I had to.....fuckin Benedikta dude. She could be the hottest game chick Ive ever seen. Good god damn.

 

[DragoonKain]

Something about Torgal tagging along with you when you go on sneaking missions is funny. Oh nothing to see here, we're on a stealth mission with a dog tagging behind us.

But I do think Torgal is cool. I've always had an affinity for RPG dogs.

 

[fart town usa]

Something about Torgal tagging along with you when you go on sneaking missions is funny. Oh nothing to see here, we're on a stealth mission with a dog tagging behind us.

But I do think Torgal is cool. I've always had an affinity for RPG dogs.

I've thought that too at times, like how do the guards not see Clive and his giant dog .

I like Torgal too.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Something about Torgal tagging along with you when you go on sneaking missions is funny. Oh nothing to see here, we're on a stealth mission with a dog tagging behind us.

But I do think Torgal is cool. I've always had an affinity for RPG dogs.

He's like the new D-Dog. Looks like him, acts like him. Puppy Torgal was pretty much a clone of puppy D-Dog

 

[Agent_4Seven]

• The world is empty, there's nothing to interact with and the materials you find are useless for the most part. You can't even open doors or break boxes.
• The NPC interactions are truly miserable. The stiff animations and dead eyes, the mouth animation doesn't match with words being spoken. It's absolute trash and the biggest thing that drags this game down. It is completely unacceptable the amount of time you have to stand there and listen to absolute empty banter. World building it is not. Anyone defending this stuff is someone I can't take serious.
• The jump button is useless outside of combat and there's no run button.
• No verticality, just makes the lack of exploration stand out more. You are constantly stuck to the ground and with how quickly you can navigate the "open" areas, it seems like everyone is fighting over a piece of land roughly the size of Rhode Island.
• The cities, there's nothing to do in them; Merchant who sells the same stuff as the previous merchant, an empty pub to walk into. There's like a few dozen NPCs at most and none of them say anything of note, everything feels so small and irrelevant.
• Combat is completely mindless because of how easy the game is. The game is designed so that you'll always progress, it's really approachable for newcomers and people who generally suck at games like DMC and Bayonetta (people such as myself).
• "Dungeons" involve running from large room to large room, seeing a cutscene that introduces enemies, it's the same thing over and over.
• There was an "immersion" trailer showcasing the resistant triggers. The triggers are used for opening large doors; Hit X then hold R2, or when you're riding your Chocobo. Immersion, that's a pathetic use of the dualsense features.
• The "EPIC" Eikon fights are cutscenes with the occasional QTE and nothing but perspective shift. It's just spectacle and stuff that was viewed as style over substance back in the PS3/360 generation.
• The NPCs look on par or worse the something like White Knight Chronicles.

Builds are irrelevant in the standard Action mode because there are no builds, combat is based on maximizing damage output, nothing else needs to be taken into account. You buy the 1 piece of gear that's available to equip and upgrade the abilities that you want to upgrade. It's completely mindless. You attack, dodge, wait for the cool down meter and then attack and dodge some more. Certain enemies are more susceptible to specific elements but I have yet to see any kind of immune status for enemies. Granted, I'm roughly 67% done with the game so there's still time for the game to throw in a new combat mechanic. But that's why I say builds are non-existent. There's nothing that you as a player need to take into account, it's all the same. Dodge attacks, deal damage. Occasionally a scrub enemy will cast protect and all you do is spam the enemy with your pew-pew magic attack.

None of the above means the game sucks. It means the game is underwhelming and dated as can be. More impressive games, or equally as dated games get roasted on a regular basis on this forum by the same people getting big mad that FFXVI is being called out by some of us. FFXVI is incredibly mediocre and I'll keep saying it as long as I'm playing the game, put me on ignore if you don't want to hear it.


I have played Dragons Dogma recently and they aren't worth comparing.

XVI is empty by any standard and abuses the worst aspects of dated gameplay. I'm not gonna browse the thread and entertain white knighting a game simply because it's the new thing. It's been out for 2 weeks, it's fair game to have an actual discussion on the game systems and what the game offers up.

You're not wrong. I already mentioned some things related to combat and leveling that keeps the game from being great. I don't mind linear design at all cuz I'm sick and tired of open world 150-230 hour shit/slogfest of the last 10 + years. The thing that keeps me going in FFXVI is the main story and characters and... somewhat combat, cuz even though it's flawed and not pefect cuz of the stuff I've mentione before, it still feels great to use...

Even with all it's flaws, this is the best SP only FF game since XII imho, miles better than anything Namura did.

 

[hyperbertha]

You're not wrong. I already mentioned some things related to combat and leveling that keeps the game from being great. I don't mind linear design at all cuz I'm sick and tired of open world 150-230 hour shit/slogfest of the last 10 + years. The thing that keeps me going in FFXVI is the main story and characters and... somewhat combat, cuz even though it's flawed and not pefect cuz of the stuff I've mentione before, it still feels great to use...

Even with all it's flaws, this is the best SP only FF game since XII imho, miles better than anything Namura did.

How far are you in the story?

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

So I've been playing this franchise since 1987 and have seen the ups and downs and constant changes that it provides to the players in terms of its scope, gameplay, writing, etc. Favs include 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15 and now this one.

I think 16 is one of the most impressive and coolest audio visual entertainment pieces of any medium Ive ever experienced. Im not hot on the down time side missions in between the big story beat chapters, but there's some occasional good ones in there. Not Witcher 3 tier, but they'll border on it at random. For me, the combat, writing, and soundtrack and god damn the story. The story guys. Thats what carries me through this amazing experience so far.

There's a lot of FF4 in here. ALOT. So much so that it makes me wonder if they're at all connected in some weird way. For anyone that doesnt think this is a "real" FF game, you either havent played them all or are just being purposefully ignorant about the franchises history. Nearly every single entry is different from the last and this is no different.

And Im no weeb, but if I had to.....fuckin Benedikta dude. She could be the hottest game chick Ive ever seen. Good god damn.

lol I keep hearing about how "hawt" Benidikta is, but if you think about it, she's just a female version of Vaan. Ewwww. Gimme Tarja any day, she's the one that's hawt.

 

[fallingdove]

Yea, I like FFXIII but I'm also not gonna defend everything about it. The game has a lot of issues but I still really enjoy the game. You bringing it up makes you look like a damn kid cause I haven't critiqued XVI based on whatever XIII did.

Also, people need to stop bringing other FF games into things I'm talking about. I've said repeatedly that I don't care that XVI is different from other FF games and I'm not even approaching the game like that. I'm approaching XVI as the game that it is and it ain't much. I'm not even that big of a FF fan. I largely stopped caring about the series in middle school when FF8 released. I've also mentioned that I bring up LOS occasionally because XVI and LOS are incredibly similar in a variety of ways and LOS does things better but is 10+ years old and widely viewed as mediocre (which it isn't). XVI has no business getting a pass when games, better games, have been roasted. It's BS and as long as I continue to slog through XVI, I'm gonna share my opinions. Block me if you don't want to read them.

You are an interesting one. That much is clear.

- You say you are bad at character action games
- You don’t like Final Fantasy games
- The one game you DID like was FFXIII (a game near-universally hated by FF fans)
- You feel XVI isn’t getting enough shit compared to games you liked in the past and are committed to slogging through XVI to post your own hate and make up for the imbalance.

 

[fart town usa]

You're not wrong. I already mentioned some things related to combat and leveling that keeps the game from being great. I don't mind linear design at all cuz I'm sick and tired of open world 150-230 hour shit/slogfest of the last 10 + years. The thing that keeps me going in FFXVI is the main story and characters and... somewhat combat, cuz even though it's flawed and not pefect cuz of the stuff I've mentione before, it still feels great to use...

Even with all it's flaws, this is the best SP only FF game since XII imho, miles better than anything Namura did.

I can dig it 100% bruh.

 

[fart town usa]

You are an interesting one. That much is clear.

- You say you are bad at character action games
- You don’t like Final Fantasy games
- The one game you DID like was FFXIII (a game near-universally hated by FF fans)
- You feel XVI isn’t getting enough shit compared to games you liked in the past and are committed to slogging through XVI to post your own hate and make up for the imbalance.

Negative. I like FF games, I'm just not a die hard fan and generally get to them years after the fact.

I don't care that FFXIII is universally hated and I'm not about to defend it's shortcomings cause I recognize the issues people have with it and they're all valid. I can still enjoy it, it's not a hard concept to grasp. I also love AITD: Inferno and that game is a complete mess.

I'm playing XVI cause it seemed pretty baller and it was fun to be relatively excited for a new FF game, all I knew going in was that Square switched it up and is hungry to make FF a trendsetter again. The PS5 exclusivity also was exciting. There's nothing weird about seeing a game through, especially at launch. I want to be a part of the discussion.

I like the combat and boss fights, environments too, I've said that multiple times. The critiques I have aren't controversial, they are as plain as day and the few older non-FF games I bring up is to just give perspective that older games already did was FF has done and did it better, some of these games are viewed as mediocre yet XVI gets a pass, it doesn't deserve a pass.

I play various console generations all the time, I never stopped and because of that, I haven't forgotten what previous generations gave us. XVI is nothing special outside of certain visuals. The game itself is wildly dated and honestly just too mediocre in too many areas for me to ignore when a select group of people in the thread are dumping on things in hopes that it will save face for XVI, it's like crabs in a bucket with trying to throw stuff under the bus. NeoGAF is a gaming enthusiast forum, all I've talked about in this thread is the actual game.

Edit- yes, I'm terrible at DMC, Bayonetta, NG style games and that's why I say the combat is mindless in XVI. I legit haven't died and I'm not some kind of gaming master. The combat is flashy and fun but it's so incredibly easy. "Builds" in standard action mode are completely irrelevant cause all you need to do is deal damage. The stagger bar is just a shield, just attack and you're good to go. There's no balancing with staggering, no give and take, the bar depletes, that's it. The combat is mindless, it's fun too, but mindless.

 

[Danjin44]

Negative. I like FF games, I'm just not a die hard fan and generally get to them years after the fact.

I don't care that FFXIII is universally hated and I'm not about to defend it's shortcomings cause I recognize the issues people have with it and they're all valid. I can still enjoy it, it's not a hard concept to grasp. I also love AITD: Inferno and that game is a complete mess.

I'm playing XVI cause it seemed pretty baller and it was fun to be relatively excited for a new FF game, all I knew going in was that Square switched it up and is hungry to make FF a trendsetter again. The PS5 exclusivity also was exciting. There's nothing weird about seeing a game through, especially at launch. I want to be a part of the discussion.

I like the combat and boss fights, environments too, I've said that multiple times. The critiques I have aren't controversial, they are as plain as day and the few older non-FF games I bring up is to just give perspective that older games already did was FF has done and did it better, some of these games are viewed as mediocre yet XVI gets a pass, it doesn't deserve a pass.

I play various console generations all the time, I never stopped and because of that, I haven't forgotten what previous generations gave us. XVI is nothing special outside of certain visuals. The game itself is wildly dated and honestly just too mediocre in too many areas for me to ignore when a select group of people in the thread are dumping on things in hopes that it will save face for XVI, it's like crabs in a bucket with trying to throw stuff under the bus. NeoGAF is a gaming enthusiast forum, all I've talked about in this thread is the actual game.

it seems you bothered by the fact people enjoying this game more than you do, AGAIN to you might think it’s “mediocre” but to me and others who enjoyed is GOTY.

Same way way I find Witcher 3 and RDR2 mediocre but for others it’s 10/10 game.


I played this game twice and to me one of best the FF game since FFX, that was my experience playing the game, it doesn’t matter how much you like to shit on this game on OT.

 

[fart town usa]

it seems you bothered by the fact people enjoying this game more than you do, AGAIN to you might think it’s “mediocre” but to me and others who enjoyed is GOTY.

Same way way I find Witcher 3 and RDR2 mediocre but for others it’s 10/10 game.


I played this game twice and to me one of best the FF game since FFX, that was my experience playing the game, it doesn’t matter how much you like to shit on this game on OT.

You guys are taking my stance all wrong. My biggest issue is that people were actively throwing unrelated games under the bus when it came to the flaws within XVI. That's why I went so hard on calling out it's short comings and brought up LOS in an attempt to show that XVI is dated and mediocre in a lot of ways, even when stacked up against a decade+ old game that many people view as mediocre.

I am legit happy for everyone who is loving this game, it's when people start saying, "oh God, it's so nice to finally have a story in a game and not have to read item descriptions for lore like in ER" (actual comment from earlier in the thread), that's not necessary and is 100% *shots fired* for no reason. Then people were attempting to throw the entire FF franchise under the bus because people were bringing up flaws in XVI. I'm not speaking to those saying XVI isn't a true FF game, those people are just as ignorant as the ones who act like XVI is some kind of ground breaking masterpiece. My issue is with people acting like the flaws are negligible and when brought up, they talk around the things I'm bringing up or comparing them to things that I'm not even talking about.

People can't drop atom bombs in a thread and expect people to just accept it. If someone says XVI is the coolest thing THEY'VE ever experienced, I'm all about that, seriously, enjoy the hell out of it and play that shit till the wheels fall off. It's when people are like, "No, it IS the best FF game ever and blah blah blah" that's when people are gonna start calling out the flaws in the game.

 

[Chuck Berry]

lol I keep hearing about how "hawt" Benidikta is, but if you think about it, she's just a female version of Vaan. Ewwww. Gimme Tarja any day, she's the one that's hawt.

If you're seeing a male in that incredible figure that's all you homie and best of luck to you

 

[Agent_4Seven]

How far are you in the story?

Eastpool, before getting to the Phoenix Gate. Just got the new armor and gear from an old friend. Planning to continue playing tomorrow.

 

[Danjin44]

It's when people are like, "No, it IS the best FF game ever and blah blah blah" that's when people are gonna start calling out the flaws in the game.

EVERY GAME has flaws even FF games in PS2 games has flaws but that doesn’t stop the people from enjoying those games and it doesn’t stop FFXVI being one of my favourite FF game, how many times this needs to be said until you understand this simple concept.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

it seems you bothered by the fact people enjoying this game more than you do, AGAIN to you might think it’s “mediocre” but to me and others who enjoyed is GOTY.

Same way way I find Witcher 3 and RDR2 mediocre but for others it’s 10/10 game.


I played this game twice and to me one of best the FF game since FFX, that was my experience playing the game, it doesn’t matter how much you like to shit on this game on OT.

I think you are both kind of right here (not that anyone asked me), but it could both be the best game (overall) since XII (or X) and still have a lot of glaring flaws. This is pretty much how I feel about it. It is the best game since that time, yet it has some serious flaws that hinder it's elevation. I still like it overall but I'm just disappointed with some aspects or design choices made.

I also like aspects of XIII, like the battle system and some of the music, but as a package something like XVI is far better but issues with the plot, gameplay et al remove the ability for me personally to put it past the golden era (at least what I consider to be) of FF. Not that those didn't have their own issues.

Do I think it will be some people's GOTY? Probably so. Is it mine? No, but I can see how someone might be more willing to overlook certain flaws than I am. Still a solid attempt overall.

 

[DownLikeBCPowder]

If you're seeing a male in that incredible figure that's all you homie and best of luck to you

I can't not see Zidane in her..

 

[fart town usa]

EVERY GAME has flaws even FF games in PS2 games has flaws but that doesn’t stop the people from enjoying those games and it doesn’t stop FFXVI being one of my favourite FF game, how many times this needs to be said until you understand this simple concept.

I understand it and I'm fine with it. I've always been fine with people enjoying the game and if it's their favorite. I've made it clear that my bone to pick was with people dumping on everything else because they can't accept that XVI has some massive flaws. Just praise the game and describe the things you really like in it. You don't have to shit on other things to mask XVI's shortcomings or act like it's just as deep as XYZ when it clearly isn't. People white knighting XVI act like it's everything and nothing at all, the arguments are so disingenuous. Besides, this isn't the FFXVI fan forum, it's NeoGAF and an OT that is two weeks old. It is fair game to start critiquing the game and calling out people who are lobbing bombs in the thread.

A dude earlier today, in an attempt to defend the game, told me I was dunking on myself for playing the side quests and another guy said that 99% of games are empty . Pure crazy talk, all for the sake of defending a game that has undeniable issues for probably 50+ hours total in a 70+ hour game.

Embrace the shit parts, be honest about them and have fun with what's there. I am.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

fart town usa thanks man

FWIW I don’t hate the game but some parts of it are extremely disappointing. And any time someone says “hurr well you must be stupid for doing stuff you don’t enjoy doing, just skip all that stuff” they’re just making a bad faith effort to silence criticism because they feel so personally invested in the game’s success.

 

[Danjin44]

I understand it and I'm fine with it. I've always been fine with people enjoying the game and if it's their favorite. I've made it clear that my bone to pick was with people dumping on everything else because they can't accept that XVI has some massive flaws. Just praise the game and describe the things you really like in it. You don't have to shit on other things to mask XVI's shortcomings or act like it's just as deep as XYZ when it clearly isn't. People white knighting XVI act like it's everything and nothing at all, the arguments are so disingenuous. Besides, this isn't the FFXVI fan forum, it's NeoGAF and an OT that is two weeks old. It is fair game to start critiquing the game and calling out people who are lobbing bombs in the thread.

A dude earlier today, in an attempt to defend the game, told me I was dunking on myself for playing the side quests and another guy said that 99% of games are empty . Pure crazy talk, all for the sake of defending a game that has undeniable issues for probably 50+ hours total in a 70+ hour game.

Embrace the shit parts, be honest out them and have fun with what's there. I am.

You say this but where were you when you people calling Witcher 3 the greatest RPG of all time which that also have massive flaws it and so games like RDR2.

The reality there “flaws” will bother some and won’t bother others….simple as that.

 

[hyperbertha]

Eastpool, before getting to the Phoenix Gate. Just got the new armor and gear from an old friend. Planning to continue playing tomorrow.

Ah so somewhat before the story starts nosediving (imo). When I was at that point I thought the story was great, minus the game of thrones references being a bit too thick. Get back itt after playing more (about 15-20 hrs) and tell what you think.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

fart town usa thanks man

FWIW I don’t hate the game but some parts of it are extremely disappointing. And any time someone says “hurr well you must be stupid for doing stuff you don’t enjoy doing, just skip all that stuff” they’re just making a bad faith effort to silence criticism because they feel so personally invested in the game’s success.

I dont think anyone is arguing that there aren’t flaws, some of which may be really deflating to some people. Others, like myself, don’t consider it much of a big deal and the game is still one of the best this year and one of the best in the franchise

But some are arguing this game is a huge red mark on the franchise and some terrible game with no redeemable qualities, it’s hyperbole at its finest and they are using a ridiculous standard to benchmark it against since most games clearly don’t hit the mark

 

[fart town usa]

fart town usa thanks man

FWIW I don’t hate the game but some parts of it are extremely disappointing. And any time someone says “hurr well you must be stupid for doing stuff you don’t enjoy doing, just skip all that stuff” they’re just making a bad faith effort to silence criticism because they feel so personally invested in the game’s success.

My pleasure. It was a really great comment.

If I may, I'm honestly not a hater, hopefully some people see what I'm getting at with my comments. I don't get kicks from dumping on stuff but I am a nerd and love gaming so sometimes I can't help but get into the trenches . I mean it's Gaf, sometimes you just gotta kick it up a notch.

I will do my best to avoid the thread and only post when I get further in the game. I got my point across and plan on being more positive about things I actually enjoy in the game from now on.

 

[fart town usa]

You say this but where were you when you people calling Witcher 3 the greatest RPG of all time which that also have massive flaws it and so games like RDR2.

The reality there “flaws” will bother some and won’t bother others….simple as that.

I haven't played those games.

FWIW, I've always said that Kratos is shit and Naughty Dog games are overrated. Maybe that will make up for my silence on RDR2 and Witcher 3 .

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I haven't played those games.

FWIW, I've always said that Kratos is shit and Naughty Dog games are overrated. Maybe that will make up for my silence on RDR2 and Witcher 3 .

I don’t see how you can say kratos is shit when you seem to love LoS, it’s essentially a GoW clone, and nowhere near as good as that series

 

[fart town usa]

I don’t see how you can say kratos is shit when you seem to love LoS, it’s essentially a GoW clone, and nowhere near as good as that series

It's not that I love LOS, I mean I do in a way but it's nothing that dear to me. I've already gone over why I've brought up LOS, don't want to type it again.

I don't mind the gameplay in classic GOW games, I just can't stand Kratos and his yelling. I never tried out the reboot because I shudder at the thought of hearing Kratos speak and I'm aware that the reboot was to rehabilitate his character but no, it's not something that I can muster interest in.

LOS is a great game dude, you should honestly add it to the back catalog if you haven't played it in years. It's derivative all day but it's also really good at what it does.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

It's not that I love LOS, I mean I do in a way but it's nothing that dear to me. I've already gone over why I've brought up LOS, don't want to type it again.

I don't mind the gameplay in classic GOW games, I just can't stand Kratos and his yelling. I never tried out the reboot because I shudder at the thought of hearing Kratos speak and I'm aware that the reboot was to rehabilitate his character but no, it's not something that I can muster interest in.

LOS is a great game dude, you should honestly add it to the back catalog if you haven't played it in years. It's derivative all day but it's also really good at what it does.

It’s not a bad game. But it’s not really some masterpiece or benchmark, I’m not really sure why it’s being brought up tbh other than to pit a massive AAA title against something long forgotten about as some sort of passive aggressive slight

It’d be like complaining that the latest Zelda isn’t as good as Darksyders or something

 

[Punished Miku]

Embrace the shit parts, be honest about them and have fun with what's there. I am.

But some are arguing this game is a huge red mark on the franchise and some terrible game with no redeemable qualities, it’s hyperbole at its finest and they are using a ridiculous standard to benchmark it against since most games clearly don’t hit the mark

Ironically, these both make the same mistake. Everyone should have room to just say what they want to say about it. Some people do think the game is GOTY. Some people do think the game is a huge red mark on the franchise. I don't think either of them are lying.

No one can fully control the narrative, no matter how hard they try. Make a compelling argument for why you think the game is great, or terrible and the consensus opinion usually settles out in a few months. Sometimes it takes even longer.

I've always thought LoS was far better than God of War. You do so many tech parries it feels closer to Ninja Gaiden at times. Its obviously very similar to GoW but one clicked for me more than the other. No matter how many times I say it, it doesnt change the narrative about the game or GoW. But maybe a small 1-2 people read my impressions and decide it makes sense. Thats all I ever go for. People trash me for loving XIII, for hating Red Dead Redemption and The Last of Us, for finding Redfall flawed but fun, for finding Ragnarok polished but boring. I got banned for critiquing Elden Ring while everyone else literally claimed its perfect because hearing a different opinion was simply too much to bear for people playing one of the most praised games of all time.

Everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection to read other opinions and handle it rationally and fairly, and thats basically the only skill we need to have in a forum. Different opinions are the only thing that make a forum even work. If we all agreed there would be almost no point for it to exist. Everyone would feel the same about everything so talking to others would mostly be pointless.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Ironically, these both make the same mistake. Everyone should have room to just say what they want to say about it. Some people do think the game is GOTY. Some people do think the game is a huge red mark on the franchise. I don't think either of them are lying.

You act as though one opinion is just as prevalent as the other and that’s false.

Yeah, I guess somebody could claim anything they want about anything and manage to back it up. That doesn’t make that opinion anything other than a very fringe extreme take

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I've always thought LoS was far better than God of War.

Of course you do. LoS wasn’t popular and God of War is.

That seems to basically be a pretty good summary of your general taste in gaming

 

[fart town usa]

It’s not a bad game. But it’s not really some masterpiece or benchmark, I’m not really sure why it’s being brought up tbh other than to pit a massive AAA title against something long forgotten about as some sort of passive aggressive slight

It’d be like complaining that the latest Zelda isn’t as good as Darksyders or something

I don't think you realize how similar XVI and LOS are when it comes to combat and certain environments. The swamp section in the XVI prologue is so similar to one of the first areas in LOS. Even the lead goblin going into the swamp and being eaten by something lurking under the surface, happens in both games. Playing the demo I instantly noticed that and then just started thinking of random comparisons regarding level layouts, combat mechanics, EPIC fights, story delivery, collectables. Gabriel in LOS even looks like Clive.

Like I've mentioned, I wasn't bringing up LOS because LOS is some pinnacle of gaming. It's because LOS is a quality title that was largely written off, and still is based on some replies but, XVI gets a pass because of whatever reason. My goal was to highlight that XVI is undeniably dated in many ways. It simply is, and it shouldn't be controversial to say that. I find LOS and XVI to be similar in many ways and if you were to boot up LOS today, I think you'd realize that I'm not talking out of my ass.

 

[Punished Miku]

Of course you do. LoS wasn’t popular and God of War is.

That seems to basically be a pretty good summary of your general taste in gaming

Zelda is my GOTY genius. Youre hopeless.

 

[fart town usa]

Of course you do. LoS wasn’t popular and God of War is.

That seems to basically be a pretty good summary of your general taste in gaming

Dude, not necessary. I like Punished Miku and appreciate his posts. Don't need to be snarky to him, Miku has largely been quiet and has chimed in with worthwhile posts in this thread. I'm under the impression he doesn't even have the game and is just following along.

Sorry for white knighting you Miku .

 

[Thief1987]

Ironically, these both make the same mistake. Everyone should have room to just say what they want to say about it. Some people do think the game is GOTY. Some people do think the game is a huge red mark on the franchise. I don't think either of them are lying.

No one can fully control the narrative, no matter how hard they try. Make a compelling argument for why you think the game is great, or terrible and the consensus opinion usually settles out in a few months. Sometimes it takes even longer.

I've always thought LoS was far better than God of War. You do so many tech parries it feels closer to Ninja Gaiden at times. Its obviously very similar to GoW but one clicked for me more than the other. No matter how many times I say it, it doesnt change the narrative about the game or GoW. But maybe a small 1-2 people read my impressions and decide it makes sense. Thats all I ever go for. People trash me for loving XIII, for hating Red Dead Redemption and The Last of Us, for finding Redfall flawed but fun, for finding Ragnarok polished but boring. I got banned for critiquing Elden Ring while everyone else literally claimed its perfect because hearing a different opinion was simply too much to bear for people playing one of the most praised games of all time.

Everyone wants to be right. It takes constant self reflection to read other opinions and handle it rationally and fairly, and thats basically the only skill we need to have in a forum. Different opinions are the only thing that make a forum even work. If we all agreed there would be almost no point for it to exist. Everyone would feel the same about everything so talking to others would mostly be pointless.

This verbal diarrhea about objectivity is a reach coming from you. You should better find some more garbage on gamepass which you will simp for.

Don't need to be snarky to him, Miku has largely been quiet and has chimed in with worthwhile posts in this thread.

He was quiet because of ban, and seems like didn't learn anything.

 

[Punished Miku]

This verbal diarrhea about objectivity is a reach coming from you. You should better find some more garbage on gamepass which you will simp for.


He was quiet because of ban, and seems like didn't learn anything.

Learned to put you on ignore lol. Bye!

 

[NecrosaroIII]

So I've been playing this franchise since 1987 and have seen the ups and downs and constant changes that it provides to the players in terms of its scope, gameplay, writing, etc. Favs include 4, 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 15 and now this one.

I think 16 is one of the most impressive and coolest audio visual entertainment pieces of any medium Ive ever experienced. Im not hot on the down time side missions in between the big story beat chapters, but there's some occasional good ones in there. Not Witcher 3 tier, but they'll border on it at random. For me, the combat, writing, and soundtrack and god damn the story. The story guys. Thats what carries me through this amazing experience so far.

There's a lot of FF4 in here. ALOT. So much so that it makes me wonder if they're at all connected in some weird way. For anyone that doesnt think this is a "real" FF game, you either havent played them all or are just being purposefully ignorant about the franchises history. Nearly every single entry is different from the last and this is no different.

And Im no weeb, but if I had to.....fuckin Benedikta dude. She could be the hottest game chick Ive ever seen. Good god damn.

Definitely agree with the FF4. There was a scene that reminded me HEAVILY of FF4. FF14 had a lot of FF4 in it too.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Definitely agree with the FF4. There was a scene that reminded me HEAVILY of FF4. FF14 had a lot of FF4 in it too.

Ok but what do you think of Jean-Luc Picard?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm under the impression he doesn't even have the game and is just following along.

I don’t know why he’s here if he’s not interested in final fantasy or playing it.

Other than to chime in when someone brings up another title and he can claim it’s some underrated gem?

Zelda is my GOTY genius. Youre hopeless.

Color me shocked! It managed to supplant the other cell shaded game you claimed was already GOTY in January…

I mean we get it, you seem to be a contrarian and fight for the underdog, generally.

You also tend to not like gritty/grounded titles, and FF16 might not be enough of an Asian boy band for your tastes. You clearly didn’t like the direction of this game throughout all the pre release coverage

 

[fallingdove]

FWIW I don’t hate the game but some parts of it are extremely disappointing. And any time someone says “hurr well you must be stupid for doing stuff you don’t enjoy doing, just skip all that stuff” they’re just making a bad faith effort to silence criticism because they feel so personally invested in the game’s success.

Yeeeaaaah. Sure.

Bad faith effort to silence criticism… The effort that includes the broad and frequent acknowledgement of side quest short comings.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Which is better to focus on for defense? Titanic Block or dodging with the Berserker ring?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Quick question. Are you guys focusing on blocking or dodging?

Basically, I am trying to see if I should use Titanic Block vs the Berserker ring.

Both! But mostly dodging with that sweet berzerker ring

 

[Punished Miku]

Color me shocked! It managed to supplant the other cell shaded game you claimed was already GOTY in January…

I mean we get it, you seem to be a contrarian and fight for the underdog, generally.

You also tend to not like gritty/grounded titles, and FF16 might not be enough of an Asian boy band for your tastes. You clearly didn’t like the direction of this game throughout all the pre release coverage

You really dont know what I like. And any criticism I had of XVI trailers was never that it was grounded. Hell I made a thread here on Triangle Strategy and that game's 100x more grounded considering the whole thing is about salt. Or Pentiment, which is a grounded historic visual novel. I dont have any issue with dark or gorey games either. Not sure what your boy band comment is about.

Me having opinions really seems to bother you and you seem determined to put me on some lower level than everyone else. None of your opinions bother me. No one's opinions bother me.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You really dont know what I like. And any criticism I had of XVI trailers was never that it was grounded.

It kind of was

People that set out to hate a game for whatever reason use non specific terminology like “it looks generic”. That’s all you seemed to say and you couldn’t really explain what you meant at all

Now I don’t know why you don’t like the direction of the game. I can only presume given your tastes in games. Maybe you could illuminate rather than trying to equate those claiming it’s a 3/10 as having a legitimately prevalent opinion

 

[fart town usa]

Yeeeaaaah. Sure.

Bad faith effort to silence criticism… The effort that includes the broad and frequent acknowledgement of side quest short comings.

Bruh, you yourself recommended that people should skip the side quests and that exploring the world isn't necessary because it's a "traversal-optional character action game"

Traversal optional, .

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Both! But mostly dodging with that sweet berzerker ring

So you keep Titan in your setup? I'm trying to see if I want to do the same. Also, trying to see if the berserker ring deserves a permanent spot in my accessories. Its been amazing so far but there are some other good ones as well.

 

[Punished Miku]

Maybe you could illuminate rather than trying to equate those claiming it’s a 3/10 as having a legitimately prevalent opinion

My point was that everyone has a right to their opinion and to say what they think about the game. If someone on here thinks its a 3/10, ask them why.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

So you keep Titan in your setup? I'm trying to see if I want to do the same. Also, trying to see if the berserker ring deserves a permanent spot in my accessories. Its been amazing so far but there are some other good ones as well.

So far I do. I like the raging fists counter

Given how frequently you dodge, I find that to be far more commonly used. Berserker ring is def worth a permanent spot imho

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

My point was that everyone has a right to their opinion and to say what they think about the game. If someone on here thinks its a 3/10, ask them why.

Sure, and the community also has the right to call them out on having such a dreadful, fringe, and extreme take that doesn’t have much merit

 

[Punished Miku]

Sure, and the community also has the right to call them out on having such a dreadful, fringe, and extreme take that doesn’t have much merit

Then youre doing the same thing you were criticizing fart town usa for.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Then youre doing the same thing you were criticizing fart town usa for.

I am not. Please explain