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GAF-Hop |OT14| The 6 God is Five Writers, And One False Idol
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i hate pharrell's playskool percussion kit male twerk music
i hate the clipse discount ghostrae raps
i hate this britney spears steel drum by the numbers no lyrical flair drug raps
i hate that people front like turdpusher t is a GOAT
fuck em wamp wamp wamp
This is what happens when you come up on St. Lunatics brehs
So underrated
I can't even give you a "to each it's own"....Neptunes and Clipse are a perfect fit. Even HHNF was amazing and it just had Pharrell on it. I just can't compute such opinions at all
First of all, I don't think their albums with The Neptunes are awful by any means. They're underwhelming for the most part. I can't hate on a track like Grindin', plus it's a pretty iconic beat. The Neptunes lose me with their percussion and some of the effects, which can become unbearable a lot of the time. Take a track like Wamp Wamp for example. A track with the usual braggadocio, drug dealing content Clipse tend to serve, but you got some tacky tropical shit going on in the background, along with the wack drums and he throws in a bagpipe because fuck it why not. It doesn't mesh to me. And a lot of the time that's their production in a nutshell. 'Tribal' percussion with overbearing effects and samples that feel disjointed. It doesn't even matter if it varies stylistically when I can't get over that trademark Neptunes sound, especially when some dudes are trying to sound hard over it. Occasionally they'll make something sound eerie, but more often than not it sounds corny.
Plus Pharrell's hooks are fucking awful.
You don't listen to a Neptunes beat for the drums...you listen to it for the melody tdjakes.jpg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTrnNIrN3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTrnNIrN3M
I don't listen to a Neptunes beat for the beat? What?
Whats your favorite producer?
Probably Kanye or RZA; I don't see why it matters when it comes to discussing Neptunes production.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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He plays multiple instruments, has conducted an orchestra and done a range of scoring work with Hans Zimmer but by all means limit yourself to a certain selection of his work if it helps you form your opinion.
Malice's verses dealt with the doubt, guilt and regrets which eventually saw him abandon rap and turn to God.
I always thought this made him somewhat unique amongst coke rappers.
Lamenting on how your actions contribute toward a decaying society and cause pain for your loved ones seems somewhat un-Ghostface-like...
Pusha has no flair!?
I hate posting verses but man:
Fear him, as soon as you hear him
Upon my arrival, the dope dealers cheer him
Just like a revival, the verse tends to steer 'em
Through life in the fast lane, like German engineer 'em
No serum can cure all the pain I've endured
From crack to rap to back to sellin it pure
For every record I potentially sell in the store
It's like Mecca to the dealer that's sellin it raw
So many deceive ya
I'm more in touch with the keys, move over Alicia
I force feed ya the metric scale
Rap's like child's play, my show and tell
Within each verse you see the truth's unveiled
They manufacture proof as they lie to themselves
Puppets on the string like a yoyo
Bouncin like a pogo, they prayin I never go solo
Come on man
In the coke rapper sub-genre I can't think of anybody today more skilled than Push.
Because Alright doesn't go extra with some of Pharrell's idiosyncrasies as a producer. He also doesn't try to sing in falsetto.
Just curious. It just seems weird that folks don't care for Neptunes production. When they first started it would be understandable because dudes were pumping out those UMM UMM bong bong ass beats with the tired ass snare and clap. They started picking it up during N.E.R.D/Clipse albums.
It works for lighthearted pop tracks, not with someone rapping his ass off about how much coke he's sold.
This is exactly what I'm talking about. Pusha is like the most generic, dry coke rapper of all time. all his shit is driven by c-class wordplay and punchlines that his betters lapped him on. There's not a single thing pusha does that a Ghost, Raekwon, Jay-Z, Biggie, Nas, etc hasn't done better. What are Pusha's real real strengths as a rapper that make him stand out in a crowd? Dude isn't funny, is pretty much never insightful into the human experience or even his own experience. What has this guy ever said about life that's interesting? You were right , even Malice is more entertaining content wise with the religious stuff.
it's all 'i put it in a bag u gon try it/my coke white like the seats of the whip' easy fare. Pusha T is a rap journeyman, not a champion. An also-ran blow rapper. If you wanna listen to a content standard crime rapper why not Jada or something instead.
Pusha's delivery and mic presence is qualitatively unique, also his lyrics/storytelling is from more of a grim than say painterly perspective from those other artists you name. That's more than what differentiates some of the other artists you listed from each other; and pretty much summarizes the value of them in whole.
HOw is Pusha not recognized as the BEST TO EVER DO IT. This dude's writing is on a level that nobody has or ever will touch. Dude is a living legend that doesn't get the respect that he deserves
IrishNinja
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yeah i was always comfortable saying malice > pusha, myself
Nelly made more of a difference in rap than Thugger + Future
now we both just said stuff fam
Nelly made more of a difference in rap than Thugger + Future
now we both just said stuff fam
I know you've never listened to them before but Mobb Deep for example cover this lane much better. Both as a duo and P as a solo artist.
Also Biggie and Gnauzeir were better at this shit too.
Zeus Molecules
illegal immigrants are stealing our air
At all this Pusha T hate. He has his "yuck" catch phrase, been involved with a lot of his songs, his last album and mixtape were both fire. Yeah he's not marketable or legend status but lots of rappers aren't really marketable or legends in their prime. Also I'm pretty sure he's been the Q miller for Pharrell for like forever and Kanye west since he joined the label.
des, wanna play the "let's guess when sir michael rocks is dropping his album" game with me?
not going to disagree with this
not going to disagree with this
nelly is a majority owner of the hornets and i respect that
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young thug is still a better rapper
Net_Wrecker
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Production on this EP is fantastic. The first 3 beats, particularly Hers Forever, took me into the aether.
Mobb Deep is probably the closest thing to Clipse in many respects, but I still think Pusha attacks tracks differently than both of them. More/different energy and a lot of it is in the voice. Especially in the modern era of rap pretty much every big feature Pusha has done I can't see P doing. P is just a wee bit darker.
I know you listen to Curren$y and the idea of what makes someone generic is something difficult to grasp, but dude's tone of voice and delivery of those same themes pretty much half the game rapped about at some point is what separates him.
I mean go ahead, if you want to make it seem like Pusha T is the ODB of drug rap with his 'crazy' delivery (which just pretty much sounds like him forcing wack punchlines as hard as he can and selling it with dumb faces in videos) by all means go ahead. If we're talking straight content, he's really really by the numbers. As much as Curren$y even.
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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I feel Pusha is at a disadvantage in any comparison due to the dynamics of the Clipse.
It was always intended that Pusha exemplified the showy, glamorous sides of the drug game and constantly rapped about it's rewards.
Thats why on the majority of Clipse songs he raps first.
Malice was then the more somber, realistic, conscious side that levelled out Push and the stories they were telling.
So criticising Push for a lack of depth would be like doing the same for ODB. That's just not the role they were playing.
My problem with this is that the range of content we're talking about here is so inherently typical (at least looking back now) that you can pretty much scrounge up that argument for any rapper, including greats like Biggie, Pac, and the majority of the Wu. Shit is reductionist and often selectively ignorant for the sake of justifying you don't like this rapper for other reasons. Take one, say their brand of street rap is different because it's slightly more x than y and repeat. P is a bit grimmer/darker and has a bit more boss in his tone, Pusha sounds like he's chronicling shit, Malice is the double take.
Pretty much, it's like criticizing the straight man or the wise guy for providing complimentary perspectives.
Oh and when he went solo he got significantly more complex in his introspection and content. Dude really is a reformed artist from those Clipse days, and has picked up a lot of what people say made Malice their preference in comparison. Though it's been clear for a minute that people made their minds up before the solo stuff and it stuck (also his first attempt was mostly freestyles and stuff so people didn't tune back in).
IrishNinja
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mobb is weird, i still don't fuck with their solo efforts too heavy
also as an aside: after grey album opened the floodgates, which other efforts did ya'll like best? was revisiting the brown album earlier today and man, some of the beats seem way too smooth as replacements but where it works it's great. hitting up kno's one again soon.
also as an aside: after grey album opened the floodgates, which other efforts did ya'll like best? was revisiting the brown album earlier today and man, some of the beats seem way too smooth as replacements but where it works it's great. hitting up kno's one again soon.
Pusha's extended Don't Like verse is so fucking memorable. Will never get old to me.
Camping out in that corridor
Fuck you waiting on Jordans for?
I'll middle-man-it for 23
Just meet me somewhere 'round Baltimore
Also it's still a tragedy we never got Amen in good quality from Fear of God II.
Camping out in that corridor
Fuck you waiting on Jordans for?
I'll middle-man-it for 23
Just meet me somewhere 'round Baltimore
Also it's still a tragedy we never got Amen in good quality from Fear of God II.
Old men fighting for old ghosts.
Truly terrifying.😴
IrishNinja
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appreciate what poppa Wu was goin for here but was this really the right place for that?
...well shit
alright P is one of those dudes i think i wrote off in the day for dumb shit said in the source or whatever, and just never heard anything that'd make me reconsider - pretty sure i grabbed HNIC when ya'll were on about it last time, gonna give it a proper spin
honestly at the time i wanna say a lotta dudes here did (i still do) but i forget if there was a backlash or just enough better shit that year where it got mostly forgotten/downplayed
Jo Shishido's Cheeks
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S.N.I.T.C.H is equally clever and devastating in ways Pusha could never manage whilst in Clipse.
He's definitely changed for the better in recent times.
That last verse man...
Covered his own tracks, he didn't care that
We had a legacy he killed, I got to wear that
Every move we ever made is getting stared at
I bet the man inside his mirror doesn't stare back
Break your heart when the man you call your brother
Be the same one that setting in motion all them undercovers
Called my mom mother, was at my graduation
When I signed my record deal you was my motivation
Uh, from great friends now it's no affiliation
Only people that would think it's meh/bad are the ones that don't like Pusha as a rapper, I guess. He's still got a somewhat narrow range of topics he covers before resorting to coke brags, but the production is better at least.
It was a love/meh thing from what I remember. Also it was released early in the year so.. you know how that shit goes.
Rastafarian42
Member
If I remember it came out around october but yeah I still bump that album to this day really great debut album.
It's a solid project I think. 6-8 depending on the day/what you like.
Ah yeah, you're right. I was thinking of King Push
which has clearly been pushed way back
Rastafarian42
Member
Yeah that album will probably come out around the same time I wonder if the production on King Push will be majorily kanye and neptunes.
This is so good, thanks
Syph Medwes
Member
Blocka and Exodus 23:1 are gold
GOLD
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Blocka is nice, kinda like the additional production on blocka la flame more tho
lmao i remember wayne tweeted after he released exodus 23, something like "fuck anyone who likes pusha t"
PhoenixDark
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I'll never forget when Lord Willin' came out. That shit was like an early pioneer of gangsta pop music for the aughts. About half a year before Get Rich Or Die Trying.
Pusha T is a good rapper but he's one of the most laughably overrated rappers in recent memory. You would think he's the second coming of Raekwon based on the way stans praise his prowess. Dude sounds like a chemistry major pretending to be Tony Montana. Shit is wack.
And fuck Pharrell too. Dude's beats are like audio ambien. There's no life or energy in that shit. Seriously listen to this and tell me it's not like some Bossa nova Bubsy 3D music. Seriously I'm telling you Pharrell was one day playing videogames in his suburban home when he heard this and said "you know what, if I add some drums to this it's gonna be shway."
Pusha T is a good rapper but he's one of the most laughably overrated rappers in recent memory. You would think he's the second coming of Raekwon based on the way stans praise his prowess. Dude sounds like a chemistry major pretending to be Tony Montana. Shit is wack.
And fuck Pharrell too. Dude's beats are like audio ambien. There's no life or energy in that shit. Seriously listen to this and tell me it's not like some Bossa nova Bubsy 3D music. Seriously I'm telling you Pharrell was one day playing videogames in his suburban home when he heard this and said "you know what, if I add some drums to this it's gonna be shway."
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