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[StereoVsn]

Summary?

Don't really have the patience to sit through a 20 minute video if its just guesses and assumptions which I assume it is since no one has tested these cards yet

If anything is a scam its the whole 5070 = 4090 marketing as that was repeated by a few of my PC gaming buddies and I personally think thats straight BS

Gemini states:

The video discusses the recently announced Nvidia RTX 5000 series GPUs.
Pricing:
* The 5090 is priced at $2,000, which the author considers reasonable given the current market.
* The 5080 is priced at $1,000, which is lower than expected.
* The 5070 Ti is priced at $750, which is considered the sweet spot for many enthusiasts.
* The 5070 is priced at $550, which is surprisingly low and puts pressure on AMD.
Performance:
* The author estimates performance gains to be around 25-35% over the 4000 series, which is considered a modest improvement.
* Nvidia's focus on AI features like DLSS 4 is a key factor in the performance claims.
* The author expresses concerns about the reliance on AI features for significant performance gains.
AMD's Response:
* AMD is likely to be forced to lower the price of its upcoming 9000 series GPUs due to Nvidia's aggressive pricing.
* The author believes AMD may need to price the 9070 XT as low as $300 to be competitive.
Overall:
* The author believes the RTX 5000 series offers modest performance improvements at a significant price increase.
* The reliance on AI features raises concerns about the actual rasterization performance.
* The author concludes that the 5000 series is more of a refresh than a true generational leap.
Other Key Points:
* Nvidia's Project Digit, an Arm-based mini PC, is seen as a strategic move by Nvidia to enter the CPU market.
* The video also criticizes AMD's recent performance and product strategy.
This is a general summary of the video. The full video provides a more in-depth analysis of the technical aspects and market implications of the RTX 5000 series.

Edit: Dude is drunk if he thinks 9070XT should be around $300-350. Looks like the card will match 4080s (so probably around 5070Ti) and AMD’s new RT and FSR is rumored to be majorly improved. Rumored $500ish MSRP is an excellent price point.

Edit 2: Been using Gemini lately alongside ChatGPT, Claude and Perplexity, and Google has improved a LOT. I really shouldn’t have found that surprising given that they technically kicked off the whole LLM craze, but still…

 

[MikeM]

I’d imagine the 5070ti is going to sell very well for those going to 4k TV setups.

 

[StereoVsn]

I’d imagine the 5070ti is going to sell very well for those going to 4k TV setups.

It really does seem to be the sweet spot for its cost in the lineup. Hopefully actual gaming results pan out. And AMD’s 9070XT could really turn up to be the dark horse in this race due to its $500 price (cost in your country will vary depending on taxes and distributor cut).

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Gemini states:

The video discusses the recently announced Nvidia RTX 5000 series GPUs.
Pricing:
* The 5090 is priced at $2,000, which the author considers reasonable given the current market.
* The 5080 is priced at $1,000, which is lower than expected.
* The 5070 Ti is priced at $750, which is considered the sweet spot for many enthusiasts.
* The 5070 is priced at $550, which is surprisingly low and puts pressure on AMD.
Performance:
* The author estimates performance gains to be around 25-35% over the 4000 series, which is considered a modest improvement.
* Nvidia's focus on AI features like DLSS 4 is a key factor in the performance claims.
* The author expresses concerns about the reliance on AI features for significant performance gains.
AMD's Response:
* AMD is likely to be forced to lower the price of its upcoming 9000 series GPUs due to Nvidia's aggressive pricing.
* The author believes AMD may need to price the 9070 XT as low as $300 to be competitive.
Overall:
* The author believes the RTX 5000 series offers modest performance improvements at a significant price increase.
* The reliance on AI features raises concerns about the actual rasterization performance.
* The author concludes that the 5000 series is more of a refresh than a true generational leap.
Other Key Points:
* Nvidia's Project Digit, an Arm-based mini PC, is seen as a strategic move by Nvidia to enter the CPU market.
* The video also criticizes AMD's recent performance and product strategy.
This is a general summary of the video. The full video provides a more in-depth analysis of the technical aspects and market implications of the RTX 5000 series.

Edit: Dude is drunk if he thinks 9070XT should be around $300-350. Looks like the card will match 4080s (so probably around 5070Ti) and AMD’s new RT and FSR is rumored to be majorly improved. Rumored $500ish MSRP is an excellent price point.

So he thinks 25-35% performance gains is modest and the $2000 5090 is a reasonable cost given current markets so equates to a scam

I don't think people understand the definition of the word scam

NVidias marketing could be called a scam but its not a scam when someone pays them $2000 and get a GPU that is 25-35% of an improvement over a 4000 series card

 

[StereoVsn]

So he thinks 25-35% performance gains is modest and the $2000 5090 is a reasonable cost given current markets so equates to a scam

I don't think people understand the definition of the word scam

NVidias marketing could be called a scam but its not a scam when someone pays them $2000 and get a GPU that is 25-35% of an improvement over a 4000 series card

Well, and the 25-35% seem ti be only the raster improvement. I really want ti see benches with RT, DLSS4 and also non gaming AI workloads.

It still may turn out to be a disappointing uplift for $2K+ (AIBs will hit $2,500 I am sure, not to mention Canada, Europe and AU/NZ), but that doesn’t mean it’s a scam.

Their marketing is pure BS though. 5070 as fast as a 4090, lol.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Well, and the 25-35% seem ti be only the raster improvement. I really want ti see benches with RT, DLSS4 and also non gaming AI workloads.

It still may turn out to be a disappointing uplift for $2K+ (AIBs will hit $2,500 I am sure, not to mention Canada, Europe and AU/NZ), but that doesn’t mean it’s a scam.

Their marketing is pure BS though. 5070 as fast as a 4090, lol.

The marketing is 100% BS totally agree with you and many will fall for it

I have a pretty good idea what I am getting when I get my hands on a 5090 as either a single card to put into this 9800X3D system or a complete new build so that is not a scam

 

[Tomi]

Nvidia is crazy if they think i will buy new gpu where i need to enable some DLSS thingy to get fake frames with problems LOL
4k native is way to go, and if this isn't more than 50% increase over 4090 then this is just FAKE

Thanks

 

[Gamer79]

Is the 5070 that big of upgrade from the 4070?

 

[Bojji]

Is the 5070 that big of upgrade from the 4070?

Regular 4070? Yes. 4070S? Good question.

 

[asdasdasdbb]

Regular 4070? Yes.

At this point I am still wondering if the 5070's even faster in raster.

 

[MikeM]

It really does seem to be the sweet spot for its cost in the lineup. Hopefully actual gaming results pan out. And AMD’s 9070XT could really turn up to be the dark horse in this race due to its $500 price (cost in your country will vary depending on taxes and distributor cut).

Absolutely. If FSR4 can be good, then that could be a budget 4k upscaled card. A bit weaker than my 7900xt but my card delivers easily and where it doesn’t, upscaling helps

 

[StereoVsn]

Absolutely. If FSR4 can be good, then that could be a budget 4k upscaled card. A bit weaker than my 7900xt but my card delivers easily and where it doesn’t, upscaling helps

If the card is around 4080S, that means it may be more powerful vs 7900xt, interestingly enough. But we really need to see some actual reviews first.

 

[TheTurboFD]

I'm hoping I can snag a 5090 at microcenter on release day. Anyone ever try to snag at MC during release for 4000 series? If so how'd it go?

 

[MikeM]

If the card is around 4080S, that means it may be more powerful vs 7900xt, interestingly enough. But we really need to see some actual reviews first.

Be cool if it is but who knows. I’m dying to see the benchmarks

 

[SunnySideGuy]

I know we're still waiting on more details on these cards, but what'll be a significant jump in performance coming from a 3080? I'm also newly gaming on the new LG 4K OLED monitor (the dual boot one). This certainly sounds like it's not the massive leap in tech we were all hoping for...

 

[MikeM]

I know we're still waiting on more details on these cards, but what'll be a significant jump in performance coming from a 3080? I'm also newly gaming on the new LG 4K OLED monitor (the dual boot one). This certainly sounds like it's not the massive leap in tech we were all hoping for...

What do you define as significant?

 

[SunnySideGuy]

What do you define as significant?

It would be nice to not have to worry about turning down settings before even playing a game because you know you can't run games super well at 4k.

 

[MikeM]

It would be nice to not have to worry about turning down settings before even playing a game because you know you can't run games super well at 4k.

Super well is what? 60fps? 120fps? Also, what about your tolerance for upscaling?

 

[hinch7]

I know we're still waiting on more details on these cards, but what'll be a significant jump in performance coming from a 3080? I'm also newly gaming on the new LG 4K OLED monitor (the dual boot one). This certainly sounds like it's not the massive leap in tech we were all hoping for...

If you're going for a 5070Ti thats probably going to be around a 50% increase in raster, if not more. And way more in RT. That will enable you to play games with path tracing and reasonable quality settings.

Going 4K, you're going to need more VRAM so 16GB should be the minimum to go for. I'd perhaps wait for both AMD and Nvidia to show their cards in reviews and see what GPU benefits you most. Like the games you play, and how each perform in certain apps or whatever.

 

[BattleScar]

So he thinks 25-35% performance gains is modest and the $2000 5090 is a reasonable cost given current markets so equates to a scam

I don't think people understand the definition of the word scam

NVidias marketing could be called a scam but its not a scam when someone pays them $2000 and get a GPU that is 25-35% of an improvement over a 4000 series card

If you're getting 25-35% more performance for 25-35% more money, what the fuck else is it?
This is a new generation and there's no expensive new node. I don't really care how much of a skill issue Nvidia are experiencing getting a significant improvement without a node-and-a-half jump. There is no additional value to be gained from the 5090.
Its been 2 years since Lovelace, and there's no improvement in performance per dollar? Get out of here.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

If you're getting 25-35% more performance for 25-35% more money, what the fuck else is it?
This is a new generation and there's no expensive new node. I don't really care how much of a skill issue Nvidia are experiencing getting a significant improvement without a node-and-a-half jump. There is no additional value to be gained from the 5090.
Its been 2 years since Lovelace, and there's no improvement in performance per dollar? Get out of here.

If you have a 4090 you're likely set up through this next gen

If you have a 4090 and want to upgrade to 5090 that's cool too

I don't blame people either way

 

[MikeM]

If you're getting 25-35% more performance for 25-35% more money, what the fuck else is it?
This is a new generation and there's no expensive new node. I don't really care how much of a skill issue Nvidia are experiencing getting a significant improvement without a node-and-a-half jump. There is no additional value to be gained from the 5090.
Its been 2 years since Lovelace, and there's no improvement in performance per dollar? Get out of here.

I don’t think the people dropping money on a 5090 care much about value. The value card is likely the 5070ti this gen.

 

[BattleScar]

If you have a 4090 you're likely set up through this next gen

If you have a 4090 and want to upgrade to 5090 that's cool too

I don't blame people either way

I do.

I don’t think the people dropping money on a 5090 care much about value.

More money than sense. You're nothing short of a stupid fuck if you're happy to have no performance/$ increase - even at the top end.
A new generation 2 years on from the last, utilising a new architecture, and you need to pay more money than last time to get more performance? Ridiculous. If you're okay getting ripped off, just because you're buying at the top end, there isn't anything I can do to dissuade you, but know that you are an idiot.

The value card is likely the 5070ti this gen.

An x70Ti card being referred to as the "value" option at $750 is laughable too

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I do.

More money than sense. You're nothing short of a stupid fuck if you're happy to have no performance/$ increase - even at the top end.
A new generation 2 years on from the last, utilising a new architecture, and you need to pay more money than last time to get more performance? Ridiculous. If you're okay getting ripped off, just because you're buying at the top end, there isn't anything I can do to dissuade you, but know that you are an idiot.



An x70Ti card being referred to as the "value" option at $750 is laughable too

Who cares where people want to spend their money?

Just vote with your wallet.

Yes, prices aren't great. The good news is you also have the option for the 9070 XT which seems like it may be one of the best 'value' GPUs to come out.

 

[BattleScar]

Who cares where people want to spend their money?

I know. But you should care, because these people are what allow companies like Nvidia to anchor their prices high with their flagship, so they can pull the rest of the stack upwards. If the 5090 was forced to be priced at $999 because gamers decided to refuse to buy them, unless they presented some level of a value proposition, do you think that the 5080 would be priced at $999? Or the 5070Ti would be priced at $750? Or the 5070 would be priced at $550? No, they would be priced lower.
Just cause you can afford something, doesn't mean you should just fork out the money.
Gaming is the ONLY hobby where people are happy to pay through the nose for "the best" and actively turn down better value products. And then turn around and start crying when the prices go up, and blaming other companies whose products they don't even buy, for the prices going up.

Just vote with your wallet.

I haven't bought a new GPU for 9 years. Don't need to tell me.

Yes, prices aren't great. The good news is you also have the option for the 9070 XT which seems like it may be one of the best 'value' GPUs to come out.

We'll see about that.
But this whole tacit acceptance of "well this isn't as much of a rip-off as I thought, therefore this is good" is some dumb cope.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

I know. But you should care, because these people are what allow companies like Nvidia to anchor their prices high with their flagship, so they can pull the rest of the stack upwards. If the 5090 was forced to be priced at $999 because gamers decided to refuse to buy them, unless they presented some level of a value proposition, do you think that the 5080 would be priced at $999? Or the 5070Ti would be priced at $750? Or the 5070 would be priced at $550? No, they would be priced lower.
Just cause you can afford something, doesn't mean you should just fork out the money.
Gaming is the ONLY hobby where people are happy to pay through the nose for "the best" and actively turn down better value products. And then turn around and start crying when the prices go up, and blaming other companies whose products they don't even buy, for the prices going up.


I haven't bought a new GPU for 9 years. Don't need to tell me.


We'll see about that.
But this whole tacit acceptance of "well this isn't as much of a rip-off as I thought, therefore this is good" is some dumb cope.

I don't think a single person in the world wants to see higher prices for any product. All of us would love to see lower prices across the board.

NVIDIA is aware people will continue to buy the highest end product regardless of the price. Jensen has priced it at $2000 because they know they will get away it.

But who knows - perhaps the 5000 series will bomb so hard they will reflect on their pricing for the 6000 series.

 

[MikeM]

I know. But you should care, because these people are what allow companies like Nvidia to anchor their prices high with their flagship, so they can pull the rest of the stack upwards. If the 5090 was forced to be priced at $999 because gamers decided to refuse to buy them, unless they presented some level of a value proposition, do you think that the 5080 would be priced at $999? Or the 5070Ti would be priced at $750? Or the 5070 would be priced at $550? No, they would be priced lower.
Just cause you can afford something, doesn't mean you should just fork out the money.
Gaming is the ONLY hobby where people are happy to pay through the nose for "the best" and actively turn down better value products. And then turn around and start crying when the prices go up, and blaming other companies whose products they don't even buy, for the prices going up.


I haven't bought a new GPU for 9 years. Don't need to tell me.


We'll see about that.
But this whole tacit acceptance of "well this isn't as much of a rip-off as I thought, therefore this is good" is some dumb cope.

Unfortunately we have no control over how others spend money, so we live with it.

Green mindshare is powerful. People will pay whatever they ask.

 

[CompleteGlobalSaturation]

It would be nice to not have to worry about turning down settings before even playing a game because you know you can't run games super well at 4k.

The 5070 Ti and above will be a notable upgrade from your 3080. You'll be able to play games in 4K comfortably.

 

[moogman]

I know we're still waiting on more details on these cards, but what'll be a significant jump in performance coming from a 3080? I'm also newly gaming on the new LG 4K OLED monitor (the dual boot one). This certainly sounds like it's not the massive leap in tech we were all hoping for...

I'm on a 3080 4K setup as well, and the last year has killed it due its memory bottleneck. I'm on the 10GB version so you might be a bit better off if you have the 12GB version.

I'm going to go 5080 as there's a decent raw performance boost going though 4080 and 5080, the memory won't be an issue for now at 16GB and DLSS 4 will allow me to keep it at high settings or the next few years. I'm happy to use FG and DLSS though, and if you are too it'll be worth a few years of 4K at high settings like the 3080 was.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Gaming is the ONLY hobby where people are happy to pay through the nose for "the best" and actively turn down better value products. And then turn around and start crying when the prices go up, and blaming other companies whose products they don't even buy, for the prices going up.

NOTHING in this statement is true

Its comically bad and I think you are just trying to argue in bad faith

I haven't bought a new GPU for 9 years. Don't need to tell me.

Then why are you in a 5000 series thread arguing over price?

You obviously are not who new GPUs are targeting as you are happy with your what 1000 series

 

[SolidQ]

Proshop Finland

 

[BattleScar]

NOTHING in this statement is true

Its comically bad and I think you are just trying to argue in bad faith

What isn't true? The 'premium' manufacturer; Nvidia, has 80% of the market at every price point.
And I've seen all too often in this very forum, people lamenting that AMD not competing at the high end means worse pricing. The market has had over a decade since it was more equally balanced between ATi and Nvidia, and it has chosen the more expensive option at every turn, so this is where we end up.
If you think I'm arguing in bad faith, what exactly is bad faith?

Then why are you in a 5000 series thread arguing over price?

Because I am in the market, I have simply decided against brainless consumerism and have voted with my wallet. At the very least I've held to my convictions about bad pricing, instead of complaining about it, and then going ahead and buying a new GPU anyway.

You obviously are not who new GPUs are targeting as you are happy with your what 1000 series

Now who's arguing in bad faith?
What I can't be the target market for a product simply because I'm unwilling to accept bad value-for-money?

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What isn't true? The 'premium' manufacturer; Nvidia, has 80% of the market at every price point.

Every hobby has people that will pay top dollar for the best products

Every

One

It doesn't even have to be hobbies, its literally everything in life

Want to live on the beach? You pay top dollar vs someone living 5 blocks away

Who is getting the best value here? Depends on what you want in life

 

[BattleScar]

Every hobby has people that will pay top dollar for the best products

Every

One

Sure. I'm not arguing against there being expensive top-end products. But please do name me a hobby or industry where the more expensive products dominate the overall market at every price point.
Lets use a more apt comparison than houses. Lets take the car industry. Does Mercedes-Benz or BMW sell more cars at every price point than Toyota? Because that is what happens with gaming.
Even with smartphones, Apple only controls ~50% of the market even in the US, where it dominates. But its never 80% of the market. That is unique to PC gaming.

It doesn't even have to be hobbies, its literally everything in life

Want to live on the beach? You pay top dollar vs someone living 5 blocks away

Who is getting the best value here? Depends on what you want in life

If you're paying attention to what I'm saying, I have no issue with expensive, top-of-the-range products. I have no issue with people who buy, or want to buy those. However, the people who buy at that end of the market should exercise some discretion when they purchase products, instead of throwing money at companies for "the best".

Lets use your example about houses. Even if you could afford any house in the world, are you simply not going to bother negotiating the price to bring it down? Are you just going to accept the realtor's price at first glance, without even a second thought?
No. Even the richest home buyer will look to optimise the cost of any given property. Or if they're buying land to build on, they'll haggle the price of the land, and they'll haggle the cost of designing, architecting and building. Nobody just says "yes" without any consideration.
Except apparently in PC gaming.

PC gaming is currently, in the grand scheme of hobbies, perhaps not that expensive. But, if you just accept whatever price given to us by the likes of Intel, Nvidia or AMD, then in time it will stop being an inexpensive hobby, and start becoming an expensive hobby. It was only 8 years ago that $699 got you the 1080Ti - the top end die; GP102, with just 7% of its CUDA cores cut down from the full die config. Just 8 years later in order to get AD102 you need to pay $2000 and that too for a 5090 that has had 12% of its CUDA cores cut back. Even if you account for inflation the maximum a 5090 should cost us is $899 - and lets not forget, not everyone's wages have kept up with inflation.

I've complained about this enough, so I'm not going to shit up this thread more with yet more whinging about this issue. So let us agree to disagree.

 

[Kilau]

Everything purchased except the 5090.

Going with the 9800X3D for now since not sure when 9950X3D is coming out.

Final build cost before tax and including the 5090.

$3761.01

(yes, I saved $10 over you K KellyNole )

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Everything purchased except the 5090.

Going with the 9800X3D for now since not sure when 9950X3D is coming out.

Final build cost before tax and including the 5090.

$3761.01

(yes, I saved $10 over you K KellyNole )

Its just my 2 cents but keeping a 5090 9800X3D build under $4k is not bad at all

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

The price difference between the 07 and 07ti is jarring. And the jump to the 08 is like your paying 400$ just for some extra ram

 

[llien]

The author believes AMD may need to price the 9070 XT as low as $300 to be competitive.

 

[Kilau]

Its just my 2 cents but keeping a 5090 9800X3D build under $4k is not bad at all

Uncle Sam takes it just over the $4k but I'll get $250 back on AMEX promo, just remembered K KellyNole gets $75 in referral so the bastard got me back anyway.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Gaming is the ONLY hobby where people are happy to pay through the nose for "the best" and actively turn down better value products. And then turn around and start crying when the prices go up, and blaming other companies whose products they don't even buy, for the prices going up.

Sure. I'm not arguing against there being expensive top-end products. But please do name me a hobby or industry where the more expensive products dominate the overall market at every price point.

Maybe I misunderstand your points but feels like you are moving the goalposts here with these two statements

Like I say everything in life has people paying for the best even at stupid prices and I don't think NVidias most expensive products will dominate the market, I think the majority will go for the 5070 ish range

 

[V1LÆM]

This wait is pissing me off. Hurry up and let me buy a 5090 fuck sake!

 

[MikeM]

What isn't true? The 'premium' manufacturer; Nvidia, has 80% of the market at every price point.
And I've seen all too often in this very forum, people lamenting that AMD not competing at the high end means worse pricing. The market has had over a decade since it was more equally balanced between ATi and Nvidia, and it has chosen the more expensive option at every turn, so this is where we end up.
If you think I'm arguing in bad faith, what exactly is bad faith?


Because I am in the market, I have simply decided against brainless consumerism and have voted with my wallet. At the very least I've held to my convictions about bad pricing, instead of complaining about it, and then going ahead and buying a new GPU anyway.


Now who's arguing in bad faith?
What I can't be the target market for a product simply because I'm unwilling to accept bad value-for-money?

How are you in the market if you haven’t or will not buy? Those who buy are in the market.

If you want to help, buy AMD or Intel.

 

[V1LÆM]

OverHeat what 5090 you gonna get?

I want the FE. you getting a FE or AIB?

if i can't get the FE and can find a good looking AIB then i might get that instead. i've had a 2080 and 4080 FE so want to stick with that.

 

[OverHeat]

OverHeat what 5090 you gonna get?

I want the FE. you getting a FE or AIB?

if i can't get the FE and can find a good looking AIB then i might get that instead. i've had a 2080 and 4080 FE so want to stick with that.

FE but since I’m in Quebec it’s going to be hard.
So it’s going to be Asus or Zotac for me.
The Astral look godly

ROG Astral GeForce RTX™ 5090 32GB GDDR7 OC Edition | Gaming graphics-cards｜ROG - Republic of Gamers｜ROG Global

rog.asus.com

 

[V1LÆM]

FE but since I’m in Quebec it’s going to be hard.
So it’s going to be Asus or Zotac for me.

i've seen a lot of posts (not just on here) saying they can't get the FE in their country i wish nvidia would scale up their production of it. i love my 4080 FE and it runs super cool and quiet. and it looks better than a lot of AIBs.

good luck i hope you get the FE but really it doesn't matter in the end.

 

[V1LÆM]

fuck sake i think that's the first time i've saw FOUR fans on a GPU lol.

 

[Polelock]

The emphasis on AI so much is making me hesitant to update. I had a 2080ti in SLI that carried me through til 2023. I upgraded for a 4090 and its been very capable. I game on a 144hz OLED LG C4, not seeing any real reason to update to this generation.

 

[V1LÆM]

The emphasis on AI so much is making me hesitant to update. I had a 2080ti in SLI that carried me through til 2023. I upgraded for a 4090 and its been very capable. I game on a 144hz OLED LG C4, not seeing any real reason to update to this generation.

if you have a 4090 i don't think it's really worth upgrading. wait for a 6090.

i have a 4080 and it's a brilliant card but i upgraded to a 360hz monitor (1440p) and i'd like to get more frames to make use of it. If I stuck with my 144hz i'd not be upgrading.

 

[gtabro]

For this money they should have had at least 20 gigs of ram

trash cards at trash prices
i’m going to AMD like all my friends this time

 

[V1LÆM]

For this money they should have had at least 20 gigs of ram

trash cards at trash prices
i’m going to AMD like all my friends this time