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Ghost of Yotei allegedly being written by the same people who wrote Dragon Age Veilguard

Topher

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Sure, but I feel the main “modern audience” push was just getting started. Every single game afterwards sucked from my point of view minus GT7 and Astrobot. Well, and Ronin but that’s not first party.

I'm hoping Concord had Sony looking sideways at their socio-political content as much as the Gaas aspect of their games. Corporate types are fine with your progressive messaging as long as it doesn't impact the bottom line in a negative way.
 


how is homosexuality 'woke'? it's been around as long as heterosexuality. woke is all about 'gender', & confusing/blurring the concepts of gender & sex, & simply attached itself to homosexuality as a means of promoting itself. there's nothing really 'woke' about homosexuality. hell, you could have homosexual relationships in mass effect, & i don't remember anyone having an issue with that...
 
I'm sure there will be some gay characters, just like there was in GoT, but I agree that as long as it isn't preachy then I'll be fine with it.
I am fully on board with my man Topher (hopefully this statement will save our friendship).

Everything is just pure assumption so far, but I do think the worries people have are warranted. Many of them are not drive by trolls but actual fans of the first game.

I have no problem diversity or representation in video games, but I do hate the politics take priority in narrative creation and design, which 99% of time soured the game, based on examples we have for the pat a few years.
 
RPG’s have a lot of writers. There being some overlap doesn’t automatically mean something terrible.

God of War Ragnarok was worse than God of War.

Spider-Man 2 was worse than Spider-Man.

The Last of Us Part II was worse than The Last of Us.

Horizon Forbidden West was worse than Horizon Zero Dawn.

Doesn’t even shock me at this point. I fully expect Ghost of Yotei to be worse than Ghost of Tsushima.

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Topher

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I am fully on board with my man Topher (hopefully this statement will save our friendship).

Everything is just pure assumption so far, but I do think the worries people have are warranted. Many of them are not drive by trolls but actual fans of the first game.

I have no problem diversity or representation in video games, but I do hate the politics take priority in narrative creation and design, which 99% of time soured the game, based on examples we have for the pat a few years.

lol...our friendship was never in question my man. Same for StereoVsn StereoVsn . Last thing I want is a woke-fest Sucker Punch game. I'm just not seeing it so far. Either way, going to take a hell of a lot more than that to come between me and my GAF brothers.

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0neAnd0nly

Member
I'd rather play Woke games all day, than support lazy, untalented devs who make hideous looking last gen quality games. This game looks fucking abysmal

As does the entire Yakuza series, anything FROM puts out, Rise of Ronin, Monster Hunter: Wilds, Zelda, and everything from Nintendo, etc. If we are stuck playing just Japanese games then we are stuck with PS4 quality games forever.

Kojima Production is the only studio from out of Japan putting out next gen looking games.

That’s definitely one of the opinions of all time!
 

Kacho

Gold Member
how is homosexuality 'woke'? it's been around as long as heterosexuality. woke is all about 'gender', & confusing/blurring the concepts of gender & sex, & simply attached itself to homosexuality as a means of promoting itself. there's nothing really 'woke' about homosexuality. hell, you could have homosexual relationships in mass effect, & i don't remember anyone having an issue with that...
It's considered 'woke' because it's one of many things western creatives push in all forms of media these days. People see it as not genuine, which is often labeled as 'forced diversity'.

Whether its accurate or not is up for debate, but when every studio starts doing the same thing, people aren't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The pushback we've been seeing since 2024 is the result of that. Creatives pushed too hard and now no one trusts them, generally speaking.
 
Well that’s not good news by any stretch……..on top of it already having this nutjob of an actress in it what could possibly go wrong? Sony really are trying to outdo Concord it seems.
 

Mibu no ookami

Demoted Member® Pro™
Games have multiple writers to fill in the large volume of writing involved. Are they the lead writers? What happened to the writers from Ghost of Tsushima and why would all of them be replaced?

People should post facts and not speculative politics from random internet lowlifes.

Ian Ryan one of the lead writers of Tsushima is still at Sucker Punch/ Liz Albi, Jordon Lemos, and Patrick Downs are gone.

Writers don't USUALLY stay long-term at gaming studios because games take years to develop. Usually you see writers stay if they're creative directors or directors.

Ian Ryan came from Bioware. It's not crazy that he'd bring over some previous coworkers.

But I think a lot of these gamers don't realize how games are written and what being a writer on a game entails. It's generally pretty collaborative but it's not like everyone is writing the same thing, which is why you have multiple writers in the first place. Someone might be tasked to write NPC dialogue, someone might be tasked to write out lore found throughout the game, or a combination. Someone might be writing the primary story or that too could be collaborative. All of this writing though has to be approved by creative directors and directors.

Criticizing a game based on who is employed without knowing what they did on previous games and having no idea what their role is in the future game is pretty laughable.
 
Witcher 3 is well know for its dialogue, if you can find a single piece of writting considered bad in there (or even mid), you can show to me.
No, what I show was just the most notable ridiculous ones. Theres way more stupid 5 year grade level of writting in there, like character stating the absolute obvious and repeating the same line over and over again.
If you ever want to do some kind of defense or thinking "is not as bad as people saying", then you are in for a ride. If this was in movie industry, movie critics would think this was written by retards.
There's a fair argument to be made that any game now with a trans or black female character that causes an kneejerk reaction around here as woke/EDI propaganda which influences the negative reaction beyond the nature of the game itself. Even the color purple can trigger people. That's not the defense of bad writing, but the extra layers of hate attached to it.
 

Bojji

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This is nothing new, mate. Here is a painting depicting lesbian sex from ancient Japan. "Woke" has become a very loose term now and is now applied anything resembling modern world politics against conservative viewpoint.

how is homosexuality 'woke'? it's been around as long as heterosexuality. woke is all about 'gender', & confusing/blurring the concepts of gender & sex, & simply attached itself to homosexuality as a means of promoting itself. there's nothing really 'woke' about homosexuality. hell, you could have homosexual relationships in mass effect, & i don't remember anyone having an issue with that...


Gay people existed through all human history.

Homosexuality itself isn't woke but in modern day media (games, tv shows, movies etc.) inclusion of it is mostly agenda driven and not "natural" element of the story. I already said that in GoT it was subtle so people didn't have problems with it (plus game was just great).
 
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It's considered 'woke' because it's one of many things western creatives push in all forms of media these days. People see it as not genuine, which is often labeled as 'forced diversity'.

Whether its accurate or not is up for debate, but when every studio starts doing the same thing, people aren't willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. The pushback we've been seeing since 2024 is the result of that. Creatives pushed too hard and now no one trusts them, generally speaking.
while i see gender-related stuff getting pushed, to the extent that it's a relatively recently created ideology desperately attempting to establish itself, i just don't see it with homosexuality, which, as i said, has been around forever & hardly needs a push. afa no one trusting creatives, well, riding bandwagons, whatever they're focused on, will always call into question the motives/sincerity of those involved, eh? so, yeah, i'd say that when it comes to homosexuality, anyway, all of us are left to individually determine what's organic, & what's agenda. myself, i absolutely do not see that clip from tsushima as being 'woke'...
 

Sonik

Member
The California boogeyman strikes again...

I'm sure it's a mere coincidence that Sony has been failing at everything even though it has no competition anymore or that they're pushing for this stupid shit that have repeatedly been proven to be recipes for disaster. Also a coincidence that ever since they moved its gaming division to California in 2016 it keeps getting worse and worse
 

nial

Member
I'm sure it's a mere coincidence that Sony has been failing at everything even though it has no competition anymore or that they're pushing for this stupid shit that have repeatedly been proven to be recipes for disaster. Also a coincidence that ever since they moved its gaming division to California in 2016 it keeps getting worse and worse
It's not a coincidence because all these points are all in your head. Sony has never had an American CEO, where is exactly the California influence here?
 

Elginer

Member
Just fucking cancel it like everything else. No
One wants this shit but we all smelled it since the reveal trailer.
 

EN250

Member
I don't wanna hate on the game just for the sake of it, but the way they give the female character 2 swords to show how awesome and better than Jin she is, really rubs me the wrong ways as it just so tryhard, it's not even funny anymore

But whatever, if this is the case, RIP another awesome IP gone to waste chasing the "modern audience" 🤦‍♂️
 

Sonik

Member
It's not a coincidence because all these points are all in your head. Sony has never had an American CEO, where is exactly the California influence here?

You're in denial, they burned an entire generation of exclusives with their stupid Live Service bullshit, they've been pushing this woke shit for years, more and more people are turning to PC gaming because of how shit consoles are now and last but not least, you do understand we're talking about the gaming division, right?

Not only they had American CEOs but CEOs are not the only ones that influence a company and where your HQ is matters a lot, coincidentally they've turned into another dumb, greedy American tech company that chases stupid trends and sheepishly follows fashionable political pretentious bullshit
 
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ssringo

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I might be worried if the first one wasn't another boring ass Ubisoft formula game. A sequel never interested me in the first place.
 

StereoVsn

Gold Member
lol...our friendship was never in question my man. Same for StereoVsn StereoVsn . Last thing I want is a woke-fest Sucker Punch game. I'm just not seeing it so far. Either way, going to take a hell of a lot more than that to come between me and my GAF brothers.

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Yep, and there is also nothing wrong with having a normal discussion and have a difference in opinions.

Different people expect/like different things from their entertainment and that’s perfectly fine.
 

Topher

Identifies as young
So they are not terrible writers? Did you play vielguard and Andromeda?

Yes, I did. I didn't finish Veilguard primarily because it was a departure from what I loved about Dragon Age gameplay-wise. I don't know if these two are terrible writers or not. These games have many writers and I don't know specifically what they wrote in those games. Do you?
 

nial

Member
they burned an entire generation of exclusives with their stupid Live Service bullshit
Dumb hyperbole, and mostly pushed by top management at Minato.
they've been pushing this woke shit for years
[citation needed]
more and more people are turning to PC gaming because of how shit consoles are now
What the fuck are you even talking about?
and last but not least, you do understand we're talking about the gaming division, right?
Yes, and as I previously said, Sony [Interactive Entertaintment] has never had an American CEO.
Not only they had American CEOs
No, they never had them.
but CEOs are not the only ones that influence a company and where your HQ is matters a lot
Please explain how this can be the case in a very global corporation with staff and subsidiaries all around the world.
coincidentally they've turned into another dumb, greedy American tech company that chases stupid trends and sheepishly follows fashionable political pretentious bullshit
Words, words and words.
 

Sonik

Member
Yes, I did. I didn't finish Veilguard primarily because it was a departure from what I loved about Dragon Age gameplay-wise. I don't know if these two are terrible writers or not. These games have many writers and I don't know specifically what they wrote in those games. Do you?

This is like listening to a fucking politician trying to avoid corruption charges:

-"Were they not terrible writers based on their work?"

-"I can neither confirm or deny that, there are many people who work in a project, they probably had the sniffles the day they wrote that terrible fucking dialogue"
 

Topher

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This is like listening to a fucking politician trying to avoid corruption charges:

-"Were they not terrible writers based on their work?"

-"I can neither confirm or deny that, there are many people who work in a project, they probably had the sniffles the day they wrote that terrible fucking dialogue"

We are talking about two people who left Bioware in 2020 and 2023. How the hell do you know what they wrote? As far as you know they left because they disagreed with the direction of the game. Do you care? They worked on Veilguard is all that matters, right?

Reminds me of another politician....

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