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Linus Tech Tips: The PS5 Pro Killer Gaming PC (Here we go again)

GHG

Member
I'm stuck on AM4 as well but I bought it in 2019. 5800X3D is 2x better than PS5 CPU, I don't know what's wrong with it vs castrated Zen 2 in Pro. This is the most powerful CPU you can put in that mobo so upgrade path do exist and this cpu will play games fine until next gen.

If someone is buying a new PC now they should be getting parts that will comfortably carry them in to the future, not some ill-advised cheapskate build because some random dude on the internet had a hate hard-on against the PS5. What are you even doing suggesting that motherboard and CPU?

Here's what a bit more money gets you, which will perform better now and allow you to upgrade to future CPU's, meaning you can also upgrade the GPU (even without a CPU upgrade) without worrying about being bottlenecked by a shitty 5500:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hdp4Dj

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($206.50 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($19.98 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B650-PLUS WIFI ATX AM5 Motherboard ($149.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: TEAMGROUP T-Create Expert 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($85.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($59.99 @ Amazon)
Video Card: PNY XLR8 Gaming VERTO EPIC-X RGB GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($499.00 @ Walmart)
Case: Fractal Design Focus 2 ATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GF A3 - TT Premium Edition 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($79.99 @ Best Buy)
Total: $1171.43
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-11-14 11:35 EST-0500

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Okay... what triggered you this time?

Unless you have something of substance to say, don't waste my time.

Honestly, you guys have a sickness. People following your advice are guaranteed one thing only - an awful experience.
 
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Bojji

Member
If someone is buying a new PC now they should be getting parts that will comfortably carry them in to the future, not some ill-advised cheapskate build because some random dude on the internet had a hate hard-on against the PS5. What are you even doing suggesting that motherboard and CPU?

Here's what a bit more money gets you, which will perform better now and allow you to upgrade to future CPU's, meaning you can also upgrade the GPU (even without a CPU upgrade) without worrying about being bottlenecked by a shitty 5500:

PCPartPicker Part List: https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Hdp4Dj



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Unless you have something of substance to say, don't waste my time.

You mean that 5500 will bottleneck GPU but Zen 2 won't do that to PS5 Pro GPU?

I don't recommend anyone building PC like that, it just shows how bad value PS5 Pro is in Europe. Usually consoles offer much better price/performance ratio but this time this isn't the case.

Also, future proofing mobos are a new thing on PC, you never got that on Intel when vast majority of gamers used intel CPUs (until 2020?).
 

TheTony316

Member
I think that mobo doesnt support PCIE Gen 4 for SSD no? (it will bottlenecked)

Yeah it doesn't support Gen 4, lol.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Spending close to 1000 euros on PC hardware underpinned by a platform that will no longer be getting updates and uses DDR4 RAM in late 2024 is ill-advised, but you do you, whatever you need to do to make yourself feel better I guess.
It still have BIOS and OS updates but why is it relevant? PS5 Pro will have updates from Zen 2 and GDDR6???

He’s trying to replicate what you get when you buy the PS5 Pro . . .k+m is just extra cost the pc needs.
"PS5 pro killer" is trying to replicate a PS5 pro or is trying to "kill" it?? And no PC needs controllers.
 
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DonkeyPunchJr

World’s Biggest Weeb
Didn’t watch this video nor have I watched any LTT videos in years. But I gotta hand it to him, he did a masterful job of getting the insecure fanboys all wound up. I bet this video will get a shitload of views.
 

Crayon

Member
Literally stopped watching after that. Especially considering thats like the definition of punching down, that was a small company he basically ducked over because he wanted to save a few dollars?
Fuck that cat.

Does he even make any good content anymore?

I don't know. I blocked them, but as usual that's a lot easier to do when you never watch much of someone in the first place. I would totally catch those videos here and there, though. They're everywhere.
 

Wolzard

Member
These comparisons are stupid, it's just clickbait.
For me, regardless of the price, I will always go with a PC. I will never buy a console again.
The difference with the PC for me is freedom: freedom of prices, freedom of games, mods, gigantic library, better graphics, emulation, etc.
 

Astray

Member
You mean that 5500 will bottleneck GPU but Zen 2 won't do that to PS5 Pro GPU?
You do realize that things like PCIE lanes are custom on consoles, right? Just because the parts are superficially the same doesn't mean that they are exactly the same. There is custom hardware for things like sound processing and decompression on a PS5 (pro) to take these loads off the CPU and free it up a bit more.

Also as long as the day 1 config on a console isn't bottlenecked, Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo don't have to worry about a future GPU upgrade, but a person building a PC does, they need to know how upgradable their machine is in the short-to-medium future.

Honestly, you guys have a sickness. People following your advice are guaranteed one thing only - an awful experience.
They don't understand that shitty PC builds only send people back to consoles once frustration sets in, or a shitty PSU blows up.
 

GHG

Member
You mean that 5500 will bottleneck GPU but Zen 2 won't do that to PS5 Pro GPU?

Dude, if you are suggesting people buy a PC then the priority should be making sure they get the best PC for the money rather than obsessing about trying to match what's in the PS5 Pro. For one second stop obsessing about the PS5 pro and just try to actually suggest a solid build for people.

Let me demonstrate why:

  • Firstly, the 5500 only supports PCIe 3.0.
  • Secondly it performs on par with (or worse in some cases) a 3600, which does support pcie 4.0, so it would make more sense to get that instead.
  • Finally, the max upgrade being a 5800X3D (which won't run well on that motherboard you selected by the way, the VRMs are dogshit which means the CPU will run suboptimally, but that's a whole separate discussion entirely) is an issue in itself as demonstrated by the two systems I have:

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As you can see, the 5800X3D is causing the 4090 to be bottlenecked, which doesn't bode well. More CPU headroom is required if you intend to go for a GPU with more performance than the 4080 in the future.

I don't recommend anyone building PC like that, it just shows how bad value PS5 Pro is in Europe. Usually consoles offer much better price/performance ratio but this time this isn't the case.

And you're demonstrating this how exactly? By suggesting a PC build so shit that someone would be better off just buying a PS5 pro? Your build is almost as bad as colt eastwood's (it's actually worse in some aspects, at least his gets you pcie 4.0):

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Also, future proofing mobos are a new thing on PC, you never got that on Intel when vast majority of gamers used intel CPUs (until 2020?).

The Intel decade you're referring to was the way it was because Intel chips were stagnant, so it simply wasn't worth moving to a new motherboard for such a small amount of extra performance. It was also an era when games were largely GPU bound because the assets were much smaller in size than the ones commonly on display in today's games (which is largely what contributes to the stuttering issues).

The rule of thumb when buying a new PC is that the platform should be able to last you a long time before you need to upgrade it. My lga 1155 build lasted across two console generations (the back end of the 360/PS3 generation and then the entirety of the PS4/Xbox one generation) and saw 3 GPU upgrades without any issues (8 years total). And then my x570 build was originally a 3900x which was then upgraded to a 5800x3d upon upgrading a 2070 super to a 4090 (this build is still going strong and coming up to 5 years, although the 4090 is the last gpu upgrade it will see because that's at the threshold of what the 5800x3d and DDR4 can handle, hence it's not a platform that should be recommended for a new build today).

You're supposed to get a good degree of milage out of these things. But with the crappy builds being suggested, the poor souls that end up blindly following the advice coming out of camp butthurt, they will end up with systems that will barely last them a couple of years before major surgery is required.

It still have BIOS and OS updates but why is it relevant? PS5 Pro will have updates from Zen 2 and GDDR6???

See above. "but the PS5 pro" should not apply when trying to put together a PC, it is not a viable PC building strategy, never has been and never will be. It should be "let me try and build this PC in a way that will open up as many avenues as possible for future upgrade paths".
 
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rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
See above. "but the PS5 pro" should not apply when trying to put together a PC, it is not a viable PC building strategy, never has been and never will be. It should be "let me try and build this PC in a way that will open up as many avenues as possible for future upgrade paths".
Agreed, but this thread is about building the "cheapest" PC with equivalent Pro power.
 

GHG

Member
Agreed, but this thread is about building the "cheapest" PC with equivalent Pro power.

Which is only going to net you a short-sighted crappy build. Which is my point:

Yep, you can get a really solid build for $900-1000 which will be more powerful than the Pro.

You can even get a solid build for $700 which can serve as a great platform to get started and build upon with future upgrades, but it's not going to beat the PS5 pro in terms of capability.

What these people are doing is building the worst of both worlds - a PC with limited future upgrade paths and one which is barely equal to the PS5 pro. They are doing their audinece a disservice and they don't even realise it.


(if you want the $1000 build then take by build above and throw a 3070ti/6800/7700XT in instead of the 4070).

You can easily get a good AM5 build for $900-$1000 that will easily last you well in to the next console generation. Why settle for less?
 
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Bojji

Member
Dude, if you are suggesting people buy a PC then the priority should be making sure they get the best PC for the money rather than obsessing about trying to match what's in the PS5 Pro. For one second stop obsessing about the PS5 pro and just try to actually suggest a solid build for people.

Let me demonstrate why:

  • Firstly, the 5500 only supports PCIe 3.0.
  • Secondly it performs on par with (or worse in some cases) a 3600, which does support pcie 4.0, so it would make more sense to get that instead.
  • Finally, the max upgrade being a 5800X3D (which won't run well on that motherboard you selected by the way, the VRMs are dogshit which means the CPU will run suboptimally, but that's a whole separate discussion entirely) is an issue in itself as demonstrated by the two systems I have:

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As you can see, the 5800X3D is causing the 4090 to be bottlenecked, which doesn't bode well. More CPU headroom is required if you intend to go for a GPU with more performance than the 4080 in the future.



And you're demonstrating this how exactly? By suggesting a PC build so shit that someone would be better off just buying a PS5 pro? Your build is almost as bad as colt eastwood's (it's actually worse in some aspects, at least his gets you pcie 4.0):

CDmCXmB.jpeg




The Intel decade you're referring to was the way it was because Intel chips were stagnant, so it simply wasn't worth moving to a new motherboard for such a small amount of extra performance. It was also an era when games were largely GPU bound because the assets were much smaller in size than the ones commonly on display in today's games (which is largely what contributes to the stuttering issues).

The rule of thumb when buying a new PC is that the platform should be able to last you a long time before you need to upgrade it. My lga 1155 build lasted across two console generations (the back end of the 360/PS3 generation and then the entirety of the PS4/Xbox one generation) and saw 3 GPU upgrades without any issues (8 years total). And then my x570 build was originally a 3900x which was then upgraded to a 5800x3d upon upgrading a 2070 super to a 4090 (this build is still going strong and coming up to 5 years, although the 4090 is the last gpu upgrade it will see because that's at the threshold of what the 5800x3d and DDR4 can handle, hence it's not a platform that should be recommended for a new build today).

You're supposed to get a good degree of milage out of these things. But with the crappy builds being suggested, the poor souls that end up blindly following the advice coming out of camp butthurt, they will end up with systems that will barely last them a couple of years before major surgery is required.



See above. "but the PS5 pro" should not apply when trying to put together a PC, it is not a viable PC building strategy, never has been and never will be. It should be "let me try and build this PC in a way that will open up as many avenues as possible for future upgrade paths".

I like that you use 4090 in that benchmark. Is 5800x3d not optimal for 4090? Absolutely, is it enough for 4070? Yeah...

I didn't even know about that pcie version limit. But does it change much for GPU with 4070 power? Not really.

This is just example of build, you can change CPU to 5600 for not much more money. It should be enough for rest of the generation - pro CPU won't get better in the meantime..

I like that you are so hard on CPU in this machine while you are golden with that fucking zen 2 with GPU close in power to 7700xt in pro, I mean - WTF?
 
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GHG

Member
I like that you use 4090 in that benchmark. Is 5800x3d not optimal for 4090? Absolutely, is it enough for 4070? Yeah...

U didn't even know about that pcie version limit. But does it change much for GPU with 4070 power? Not really.

This is just example of build, you can change CPU to 5600 for not much more money. It should be enough for rest of the generation - pro CPU won't get better in the meantime..

Sigh... You don't get it.

There is no world, where as we are about to embark on 2025, you should be recommending a person builds a new PC on the AM4 platform. The tiny "discount" you get from dropping down to AM4 doesn't warrant it. "Being cheap is expensive" has never applied more - it's dead end and realistically it's going to struggle if the person decides to upgrade to a higher end 50 series GPU, or even a mid range 60 series GPU in the future.

And all of that is regardless of whether or not the PS5 Pro is living rent free in your head by the way.

And no, the 5800x3d is not optimal for the 4090. Here's another example, look at the minumums:

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HeWhoWalks

Gold Member
And you're demonstrating this how exactly? By suggesting a PC build so shit that someone would be better off just buying a PS5 pro? Your build is almost as bad as colt eastwood's (it's actually worse in some aspects, at least his gets you pcie 4.0):

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Am I seeing that right? 8GB in 2024?! 🤮

Is it at least DDR5? Hell, even with it, just buy a Pro. I say this as someone who has no worries on a rock solid PC build for a while (though 2025 is when I step back in the ring and upgrade my 3090 Ti/13900K combo)
 
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Skifi28

Member
If someone is buying a new PC now they should be getting parts that will comfortably carry them in to the future, not some ill-advised cheapskate build because some random dude on the internet had a hate hard-on against the PS5. What are you even doing suggesting that motherboard and CPU?
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I'm so tired of these terrible builds being suggested ever since the pro. The intention is to "harm" the console but they actually manage to harm PC gamers instead. Even the people suggesting them would never build something like that for themselves or a friend.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
You can easily get a good AM5 build for $900-$1000 that will easily last you well in to the next console generation. Why settle for less?
Because just like selling your base PS5 to upgrade to a Pro you can sell your MOBO+CPU+RAM to upgrade too and again, because the thread is about the cheapest that matches the Pro power.
 

GHG

Member
Because just like selling your base PS5 to upgrade to a Pro you can sell your MOBO+CPU+RAM to upgrade too and again, because the thread is about the cheapest that matches the Pro power.

PC's and PC parts have notoriously poor resale value, especially so the further away from premium parts you get.

What do you think a used A520m motherboard, DDR4 and a 5500 are going to be worth in 2025/2026? You'll be lucky to cover listing and shipping costs on ebay.

On the other hand I can still sell my old PS4 Pro for about 60% of the price I purchased it for, and that thing released in 2016.
 
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GHG

Member
50+% just like the video shows for their used parts.

Donald Trump GIF by Election 2016



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And as you can see, that's with a GPU, a small hard drive and a CPU that's substantially better than the 5500.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
Donald Trump GIF by Election 2016



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And as you can see, that's with a GPU, a small hard drive and a CPU that's substantially better than the 5500.
I don't need to sell for the same price as this. I sell for what I want, just like those selling to Linus.
 
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GHG

Member
I don't need to sell for the same price as this. I sell for what I want, just like those selling to Linus.

If you want a challenge, go ahead and buy a 5500, that asrock a520m and some DDR4. Open all the boxes and then throw them on ebay. Let us know how you get on and whether you're able to sell those bottom of the barrel parts for "what you want".

If you believe you can dictate prices and that the average price that these items are selling for will have no impact on you then it shouldn't be too difficult.
 

rodrigolfp

Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
If you want a challenge, go ahead and buy a 5500, that asrock a520m and some DDR4. Open all the boxes and then throw them on ebay. Let us know how you get on and whether you're able to sell those bottom of the barrel parts for "what you want".

If you believe you can dictate prices and that the average price that these items are selling for will have no impact on you then it shouldn't be too difficult.
I will sell on the same place Linus got his prices.
 

Bojji

Member
Sigh... You don't get it.

There is no world, where as we are about to embark on 2025, you should be recommending a person builds a new PC on the AM4 platform. The tiny "discount" you get from dropping down to AM4 doesn't warrant it. "Being cheap is expensive" has never applied more - it's dead end and realistically it's going to struggle if the person decides to upgrade to a higher end 50 series GPU, or even a mid range 60 series GPU in the future.

And all of that is regardless of whether or not the PS5 Pro is living rent free in your head by the way.

And no, the 5800x3d is not optimal for the 4090. Here's another example, look at the minumums:

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I mean what 4090 has to do with this?

Will 5800x3d limit 4090, yeah. Will the same cpu limit 4070? NO!

Will 5500/5600 limit 4070? Yes, but not as much as cut down Zen 2 is limiting PS5 Pro. You are fine with Sony matching weak CPU with mid GPU but you hate it on PC? That CPU is stronger than what's inside the console.

I think we should run an experiment and put his build up against Bojji Bojji 's.

The ultimate face-off.

You will get better results than on Pro.

Because just like selling your base PS5 to upgrade to a Pro you can sell your MOBO+CPU+RAM to upgrade too and again, because the thread is about the cheapest that matches the Pro power.

Exactly but they have to defend their precious console in some way.

This is not "build your pc" guide, this is experiment to show how can you exceed pro power for not much more money.
 

UnrealEck

Member
Nobody who's seriously thinking about buying a gaming PC instead of a console actually tries to match the price of the console, do they?
Not only do they perform differently playing games (and I don't just mean framerate I mean library, skins, mods etc too) but they just do different things outside of games.
 

GHG

Member
I mean what 4090 has to do with this?

Will 5800x3d limit 4090, yeah. Will the same cpu limit 4070? NO!

The 4090 has everything to do with this because it demonstrates how much of a shitty throwaway build what you're proposing is. It's not something that taps in to one of the most key advantages you should get when you build/purchase a PC - the ease of future upgrade paths.

You're willing to go against the very essence of what building a PC should be about because some little console has made you feel insecure? Why?

Will 5500/5600 limit 4070? Yes, but not as much as cut down Zen 2 is limiting PS5 Pro. You are fine with Sony matching weak CPU with mid GPU but you hate it on PC? That CPU is stronger than what's inside the console.

Wow, you're actually applying Colt Eastwood's console system/gpu ram logic to CPU's.

When you're building a PC you need overhead, especially so if you're running windows instead of linux. This has always been the case for PC builds, why are you acting so surprised, are you new to this?

Why do you think double the total ram in consoles for your system ram alone has been a rule of thumb for building gaming PC's for well over a decade now?

PC's and consoles are not the same thing, if they were then consoles would also exhibit the shader comp stutter issues that PC's running windows do. You need to build with inefficiencies in mind, several of them.

There's a reason why the 5500 is a CPU that everyone in the PC building community says you should avoid, but yet here you are recommending it? Insanity.



Like I said, these "I must beat the PS5 pro" builds get worse all the time. It's an embarrassment. If nobody in their right minds would recommend these motherboards, CPU's, PSU's etc under normal circumstances then why are you happy to recommend them now?

You will get better results than on Pro.

Ok, then build it for yourself and stop crying about how bad the Pro is then. Oh wait, you wouldn't, I wonder why?

Which begs the question, if you wouldn't build it for yourself then is it really a better value proposition than the Pro like you're trying to say it is?

Exactly but they have to defend their precious console in some way.

This is not "build your pc" guide, this is experiment to show how can you exceed pro power for not much more money.

At this point it's not even about defending the Pro, it's about making sure people don't see these shitty builds and go, ahead with them which will result in them being put off PC gaming for life. But you're in so deep you can't see that.
 

SHA

Member
The 4090 has everything to do with this because it demonstrates how much of a shitty throwaway build what you're proposing is. It's not something that taps in to one of the most key advantages you should get when you build/purchase a PC - the ease of future upgrade paths.

You're willing to go against the very essence of what building a PC should be about because some little console has made you feel insecure? Why?



Wow, you're actually applying Colt Eastwood's console system/gpu ram logic to CPU's.

When you're building a PC you need overhead, especially so if you're running windows instead of linux. This has always been the case for PC builds, why are you acting so surprised, are you new to this?

Why do you think double the total ram in consoles for your system ram alone has been a rule of thumb for building gaming PC's for well over a decade now?

PC's and consoles are not the same thing, if they were then consoles would also exhibit the shader comp stutter issues that PC's running windows do. You need to build with inefficiencies in mind, several of them.

There's a reason why the 5500 is a CPU that everyone in the PC building community says you should avoid, but yet here you are recommending it? Insanity.



Like I said, these "I must beat the PS5 pro" builds get worse all the time. It's an embarrassment. If nobody in their right minds would recommend these motherboards, CPU's, PSU's etc under normal circumstances then why are you happy to recommend them now?



Ok, then build it for yourself and stop crying about how bad the Pro is then. Oh wait, you wouldn't, I wonder why?

Which begs the question, if you wouldn't build it for yourself then is it really a better value proposition than the Pro like you're trying to say it is?



At this point it's not even about defending the Pro, it's about making sure people don't see these shitty builds and go, ahead with them which will result in them being put off PC gaming for life. But you're in so deep you can't see that.

The pro will run more future cods, isn't that a prove for value?
 

Bojji

Member
The 4090 has everything to do with this because it demonstrates how much of a shitty throwaway build what you're proposing is. It's not something that taps in to one of the most key advantages you should get when you build/purchase a PC - the ease of future upgrade paths.

You're willing to go against the very essence of what building a PC should be about because some little console has made you feel insecure? Why?



Wow, you're actually applying Colt Eastwood's console system/gpu ram logic to CPU's.

When you're building a PC you need overhead, especially so if you're running windows instead of linux. This has always been the case for PC builds, why are you acting so surprised, are you new to this?

Why do you think double the total ram in consoles for your system ram alone has been a rule of thumb for building gaming PC's for well over a decade now?

PC's and consoles are not the same thing, if they were then consoles would also exhibit the shader comp stutter issues that PC's running windows do. You need to build with inefficiencies in mind, several of them.

There's a reason why the 5500 is a CPU that everyone in the PC building community says you should avoid, but yet here you are recommending it? Insanity.



Like I said, these "I must beat the PS5 pro" builds get worse all the time. It's an embarrassment. If nobody in their right minds would recommend these motherboards, CPU's, PSU's etc under normal circumstances then why are you happy to recommend them now?



Ok, then build it for yourself and stop crying about how bad the Pro is then. Oh wait, you wouldn't, I wonder why?

Which begs the question, if you wouldn't build it for yourself then is it really a better value proposition than the Pro like you're trying to say it is?



At this point it's not even about defending the Pro, it's about making sure people don't see these shitty builds and go, ahead with them which will result in them being put off PC gaming for life. But you're in so deep you can't see that.


You are right about 5500, I didn't know it was handicapped this much. This is reality of AMD misleading customers again.

But overall this PC will still perform better than PS5 Pro, 4070 is better GPU in most games and most games are GPU limited.

Combined with 5600 this is a good combo.

If I had less than 1000 Euro and had to buy PC or PS5 Pro, with knowledge I have I would buy PC I listed. New parts, 2 years warranty and good performance:

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~972,38 Euro
 
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Bry0

Member
Nobody who's seriously thinking about buying a gaming PC instead of a console actually tries to match the price of the console, do they?
Not only do they perform differently playing games (and I don't just mean framerate I mean library, skins, mods etc too) but they just do different things outside of games.
No it’s just a fun video idea for a YouTube channel, “what if”. Then doofus fanboys spend 6 pages arguing about it.

Someone who wants a pc probably has an expectation to use it for more than just gaming, I would presume.
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud


I don’t feel so good Mr Hulst

Original price was 950$ yikes. For that price, it wouldn't be worth it. For 700? sure I guess but not against ps5 pro.
1tb
4060
Essentially 6 cores cpu
Doesn't say it comes with windows, so probably does not?

Don't get me wrong. This is still a fine, serviceable pc... I would 100% recommend for a coworker if they asked me what pc to buy for a kid.
Even got shitty mouse and keyboard but at least it has something.
But to suggest this rivals ps5 pro is a joke
 

BennyBlanco

aka IMurRIVAL69
Original price was 950$ yikes. For that price, it wouldn't be worth it. For 700? sure I guess but not against ps5 pro.
1tb
4060
Essentially 6 cores cpu
Doesn't say it comes with windows, so probably does not?

Don't get me wrong. This is still a fine, serviceable pc... I would 100% recommend for a coworker if they asked me what pc to buy for a kid.
Even got shitty mouse and keyboard but at least it has something.
But to suggest this rivals ps5 pro is a joke

It comes with windows 11. I’m just messing around but Id take that over buying used parts for $700. And I would take it over any console if I didn’t have a PC.
and put at least a 4070 ti in it
 

rofif

Can’t Git Gud
It comes with windows 11. I’m just messing around but Id take that over buying used parts for $700. And I would take it over any console if I didn’t have a PC.
and put at least a 4070 ti in it
If I didn't had any pc or a console, of course I would get this... well not this crap but a pc.
8gb vram will be painful. That cpu is probably OK but I would still switch to ryzen for similar price
 
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