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NBC affiliate kills HANNIBAL airings. COME ON, SALT LAKE CITY.
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NotTheGuyYouKill
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At least the violence in Hannibal is artistic.
The Following's violence is just... pointless. And nauseating. And just for the hell of it. And nihilistic.
Discotheque
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yeah, hell it's even trumping a lot of cable shows with it's depiction of dead bodies.
Aquamarine
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Ehh, renewal for Hannibal is a bit of a tossup at the moment.
Aquamarine
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It got a low 1.0 for 18-49 last week.
acheron_xl
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Utah is a pretty, great state isn't it?
It's pretty, for sure. I don't know about it being great in any other way though.
acheron_xl
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NBC isn't like a cable channel, or the BBC with centralized programming and control. It's a network of over 200 individual stations, with their own local news, their own program directors and so on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affiliates
I see, thanks.
MaddenNFL64
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I don't understand. How does a church own a for profit business? They pay taxes then?
thats the point. you wouldnt want violence protrayed as art so much on tv.
Not really. It'll probably get renewed. It's the cheapest scripted drama on broadcast TV.
And it'll still do considerably better in the L+3, where money is actually made. Its live numbers aren't great, but it's L+3 are acceptable enough with the cost of the show to probably get a second season.
The ratings are bad? That doesn't make me happy.
What? This sincere belief as justification for stupidity is getting bloody annoying.
What? This sincere belief as justification for stupidity is getting bloody annoying.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Cheapest? Really? It doesn't really look cheap. Looks like it has great production values. But maybe I'll chalk that up to imaginative art direction and set design.
What's the L+3?
It's the cheapest drama on broadcast television because of its international co-production. Dracula will be cheaper.
L+3 is Live Numbers+3 Days of DVR viewing.
It doesnt look that expensive, just very well shot and acted, IMO.
That's not why it's not expensive. Yes, it does a lot of stage work and it's very well shot, but it's because of the internal co-production. Not entirely sure how it works, but that manifests itself in being the cheapest drama on broadcast television. At least, until Dracula premieres.
If Hannibal was produced by Uni and produced under a traditional model, it'd probably cost as much as, maybe, Grimm. Which is still on the lower side of broadcast dramas, but still.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Ah, I see. Thanks Ivy. You always explain this TV stuff so well.
So, because it's also finance internationally, does that mean NBC doesn't have total rights over it? If the co-producers wanted, could they take it to another network or just keep making the show and air it internationally? Just a hypothetical.
Is this Dracula show also gonna be on NBC? Adaptation or a modern take?
It's important to remember that NBC doesn't technically own anything because it's not a production company. It just airs shows. It does have a production arm -- Universal TV -- and yes, Universal TV could theoretically take shows that NBC passes on to other network. The Mindy Project is produced as Universal TV and was originally set up at NBC before NBC passed and Universal TV brought it to Fox.
I don't know how it works. I think Gaumont still gets a lot of money from NBC to keep the show going, and I don't think they could make it without NBC continuing to provide licensing fees, but I'm not sure. NBC could also make it a summer series, though I'm not sure how that would work out. The economics are wonky because it's not how broadcast TV is traditionally financed.
Dracula isn't modern, I believe it takes place in the 1800s. I can't remember if it's in England or America. It's basically gone through a ton of retweeks since the script stage, so I have no idea what it looks like now. They're high on it. But yes, NBC. Premiering this fall. Knauf of Carnivale is showrunning.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Interesting. Thanks man.
Can you tell me about FX and how they pick up shows?
Choke on the Magic
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I find this disturbing. One region can cause the cancellation of a show? Or is it just for SLC viewers?
While I'm sure that the station owners don't approve of some of the subject matter on SNL, that's not the reason why it doesn't air on KSL. The reason is because of the sports show that has been in that time slot on the network since before it was an NBC affiliate, so it's more of a tradition.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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The fears of cancellation and this station not airing the show are different. Just for SLC viewers.
But yeah, it's on NBC, hence the fear of cancellation.
FX prefers to work with established drama showrunners and will probably go after younger, rawer talent for FXX. Is that what you mean? It really depends on the network. It's all different. Pitching sucks.
Yeah, I wasnt saying that was the reason it wasnt expensive, just that nothing screams "expensive" about the show. With that said, it is currently my favorite network drama.
I agree. I think it's just shot extremely well, but it's not like there's a lot of VFX or stunts. And there aren't a million producing credits that inflate the over the line budget.
Mushroomer25
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So to conclude, fuck (hardcore) Mormons. So glad I don't live in Utah.
Trent Strong
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Well, at least they're objecting to violence instead of sex for once.
What if the show was racist? Would you just change the channel or would you complain?
What if the show was racist? Would you just change the channel or would you complain?
I'd consider it to be one of the most well written shows on television, minus a certain scene near the end of 103 that tested some logical issues.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Because no one else gets offended, only Mormons right?
Trent Strong
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The local CW station airs all the shows that the local NBC affiliate refuses to air. So you can watch anything in Utah that you can watch in any other state.
Wafflecakes
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Eh, Utah Mormons aren't that bad in general.
It is the coverts that are full of crazy.
That's exactly what they said.
Eight Diagram Bat Fighter
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Might as well have.
Never read the books or the films, but the show is a damn fine one standing on its own. It makes me forget about its logical leaps because I'm more invested in its characters and wonderful cinematography.
I don't know -- Hannibal does a really good job portraying the emotional consequences of violence.
Aquamarine
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Well yeah, it's fucking stupid.
Hannibal is everywhere, they're an affiliate legally bound to air it, and artificially restricting it from air waves doesn't help anyone.
Their concern, stemming from their conservative policies, is highly misplaced. I can believe it and understand it and respect it, but that doesn't make it right.
It's cheap for a drama, but we have yet to see whether that's good enough for NBC internal politics. The topic is definitely up for debate, but you're more optimistic than I am.
As someone who lives in SLC, I wasn't watching the show and don't care if it is aired. I wish they wouldn't pull stunts like this, but I imagine they have it written in their affiliate contract that they can not broadcast a show for these reasons.
In any case, NBC needs better shows.
In any case, NBC needs better shows.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Not only is this the best show that NBC has, it's one of the best on network television.
Best show NBC has is like being the tallest person at the midget convention.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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You skipped over the second half of... my sentence.
The buzz is that it's most likely getting a second season, though that's still dependent on a few more data points and how their pilots come back since they just screened them this afternoon. They have five returning dramas plus Dracula. I expect them to go heavy on new comedies and lighter on new dramas, since only Parks and possibly Goon or The New Normal will return.
And if we're looking at new dramas, very few have hot buzz, though I'm sure we'll get a better picture this week. They even greenlit a Chicago Fire spinoff in the end of development -- if that doesn't say anything about their dramas, I don't know what. They'll probably pick up Believe, The Blacklist, and then... maybe The 6th Gun? Chicago PD? After Hours? Maybe. It's not an extensive list. They can afford to bring back Hannibal, maybe on a Friday. Sure, they might cancel it. But most signs point to them bringing it back. Its DVR numbers aren't terrible compared to the rest of NBC's lineup, and C3s are where money is.
And it's also not "cheap for a drama." It is the cheapest drama. And it's Jen Salke's favorite show on NBC.
It's one of the best dramas on network television. Hannibal, The Good Wife, Elementary...
HalfBakedProphet
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I've been semi-interested in watching this show, after this news I'll make sure to check it out.
Thanks LDS!
Thanks LDS!
The ratings disagree with you.
I really wouldn't know, the show doesn't interest me.
There's little correlation between a quality of a show and its ratings. That's akin to saying that every single major blockbuster must be the greatest examples of film because they make the most money.
And if you've never seen the show, who are you to comment on its quality? Here, I'll help: http://www.hulu.com/hannibal. Now you can actually come to a legitimate conclusion instead of arguing its quality without having ever seen a frame.
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