Support NeoGAF

[Reaseru]

Maybe he should stop going after another man's woman...

Dude, the girl wants nothing with you, just try other options. I heard Birdo is available...

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

Switch 2 tech deserves that price point

120hz, VRR, HDR, Nvidia DLSS, ray tracing, 1.7TF portable, and 3.1TF docked.

Steamdeck $420 vs Switch 2 $450

Yeah, even amid the $449 had nothing to do with tariffs, I think current results from Cyberpunk, SF6 etc. are showing that it's definitely able to punch around PS4 Pro/Series S/One X performance (seemingly when docked), and maybe even a bit higher depending on specifics of the game and optimizations.

I dunno why people though Switch 2 would be at barely base PS4 levels, when they've show they make new systems roughly on par with the direct previous gen following a very successful generation (Wii > Wii U w/ Wii U @ PS3/360+ levels for example). At least with their home consoles, and Switch family are effectively seen as much as home consoles now as handhelds by Nintendo.

I have a feeling they're gonna bring Nintendo Selects back because this shit can't work. This is inevitably going to sell lower than they expected.

I'll be genuinely shocked if this still ends up pulling Switch 1 numbers despite the recession and the higher game/console prices.

It was never going to do Switch 1 numbers even if they did everything perfectly. They'd of probably gotten closer that way, though.

However, were Nintendo ever legitimately expecting Switch 2 to sell as much, or even outsell, the Switch? We'd need their internal guidance for that, but I don't think unit sales is their main metric for determining success.

 

[Power Pro]

Yeah right. So if the price wasn't because of tariffs at all, then they really fucked up. He uses the excuse that because all the Switch 1 models will still be on the market, it basically has to be more expensive, because Switch OLED is $349 already.

Here's the thing, consoles used to eventually GO DOWN IN PRICE. The PS2 was down to $100 from it's original $300 price tag eventually, and Switch hasn't dropped a penny. If this is your excuse for Switch 2 being $449, you're not making it sound better by saying it's not because of tariffs. You're making it sound like you're greedy bastards.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

64GB gamecards are the issue for the first party price increase

That's why third parties have the option of using keycards which are only 32GB

 

[spookyfish]

That was kind of clear, The Verge, since they stopped pre-orders, and started talking about "Oh, now we hafta think about muh tayr-iffs" after announcing the price, release date and preorder date.

 

[Sooner]

Fair enough, I was mostly thinking of the games. The console itself is mostly fine.

I agree $80 seems high for games, but the market will decide.

My point is more of the term "greed". There is no such thing in business. Or, there is no such thing as a business without greed. Take your pick.

Supply and demand. You price things at what you determine will be most profitable. End of story. We aren't sharing our cookies with others. They are running a business.

If you bought a house for 500k and when you went to sell it the market dictated someone would likely buy it for 800k, are you greedy for asking for that much? No. You'd be stupid not to. Now, if no one buys it, then you were wrong and will need to ask for less if you want to sell it.

 

[analog_future]

I just want to preorder this thing already. And hopefully not at $600

 

[Muddy]

Hobbies aren't cheap, what's the problem?

What next?

My hobby is collecting Rolex watches. A 5000 dollar console will be absolutely fine too.

Hobbies aren't cheap.

We are talking about a company which makes consoles and games primarily targeted at the casual/younger audience.

They have been priced out or simply put off. It's no different to the PS3. Worse in fact cause the games are overpriced too.

It doesn't affect hardcore gamers or fans cause they will buy regardless.

The problem is you are looking at it through your perspective and personal circumstances only.

Look at it through the entire Nintendo user-base.

 

[pulicat]

Yeah, even amid the $449 had nothing to do with tariffs, I think current results from Cyberpunk, SF6 etc. are showing that it's definitely able to punch around PS4 Pro/Series S/One X performance (seemingly when docked), and maybe even a bit higher depending on specifics of the game and optimizations.

I dunno why people though Switch 2 would be at barely base PS4 levels, when they've show they make new systems roughly on par with the direct previous gen following a very successful generation (Wii > Wii U w/ Wii U @ PS3/360+ levels for example). At least with their home consoles, and Switch family are effectively seen as much as home consoles now as handhelds by Nintendo.

They are coping at this point after Nintendo managed to release a beastly console that outperformed both Steamdeck and PS4pro in graphical fidelity.

They thought the Switch 2 graphic was going to look like this

but it turned out to be like this

 

[WhiteWaterM00se]

Me looking at Nintendo's management. Even from an investor perspective.

I feel like I know the outcome now. Regardless of Switch 2. A spotlight needs to be turned on Nintendo upper management.

 

[Panajev2001a]

If a switch OLED is £299 UK and years old. I don't see how £399 is out of order considering inflation etc. Seems like a respectable price up.

That makes no sense, they could… gasp… drop the price of the existing one and not raise the ceiling $100 each time you know ?

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

What next?

My hobby is collecting Rolex watches. A 5000 dollar console will be absolutely fine too.

Hobbies aren't cheap.

We are talking about a company which makes consoles and games primarily targeted at the casual/younger audience.

They have been priced out or simply put off. It's no different to the PS3. Worse in fact cause the games are overpriced too.

It doesn't affect hardcore gamers or fans cause they will buy regardless.

The problem is you are looking at it through your perspective and personal circumstances only.

Look at the through the entire Nintendo user-base.

Why wouldn't I look at it thru my personal viewpoint? There's people out there that have hobbies way out of my expense league and there's no issue on my part I don't expect them to sit and worry about me.

 

[Topher]

Switch 2 tech deserves that price point

120hz, VRR, HDR, Nvidia DLSS, ray tracing, 1.7TF portable, and 3.1TF docked.

Steamdeck $420 vs Switch 2 $450

Isn't that an in-game shot vs a promo shot?

 

[Fbh]

I have a feeling they're gonna bring Nintendo Selects back because this shit can't work. This is inevitably going to sell lower than they expected.

I'll be genuinely shocked if this still ends up pulling Switch 1 numbers despite the recession and the higher game/console prices.

I hope so.
If they do I could see myself picking up a Switch 2 after a few years if there is a selection of affordable first party games on it.
But it's ultimately all going to come down to how the systems and games sell (not just at launch, but over time)

I'd say the pricing of the console itself is fine, but the 1st party software pricing is not, especially for Europeans like myself who prefer to buy physical over digital.

It's even worse in developing countries.
Here (chile), in our local currency a physical copy of MK World is going to be around 2.5X to 3X as much as a WiiU game was.

 

[dorkimoe]

The system price isn't as bad as the software price. I didn't really have a huge problem with $450. No one expected anything below $400.

same no issue with console price, the games can fuck off

 

[Beechos]

Now that this has been revealed how does it compare to the steamdeck which now is 3 years old?

 

[SkylineRKR]

The console price is fine. Its in line with all products basically. The PS5 price was even raised. The PS5 Pro costs 699 in the US. So a Switch 2 at 449 would be what you could expect today.

Its the games, controllers etc that are ridiculous. Sony jumped 10 bucks. Nintendo jumps at least 20 bucks.

 

[memoryman3]

The console price is fine. Its in line with all products basically. The PS5 price was even raised. The PS5 Pro costs 699 in the US. So a Switch 2 at 449 would be what you could expect today.

Its the games, controllers etc that are ridiculous. Sony jumped 10 bucks. Nintendo jumps at least 20 bucks.

Series S was sold for $299 at launch.. $349 with 1TB. What's the excuse for less capable hardware selling for over $100 more?

 

[SweetTooth]

Switch 2 tech deserves that price point

120hz, VRR, HDR, Nvidia DLSS, ray tracing, 1.7TF portable, and 3.1TF docked.

Steamdeck $420 vs Switch 2 $450

Nah.. it doesn't when PS5 which has all those things + 10x the GPU power + 4x the storage, more Ram, faster SSD , better Audio chips are retailing for $399

 

[Muddy]

Why wouldn't I look at it thru my personal viewpoint? There's people out there that have hobbies way out of my expense league and there's no issue on my part I don't expect them to sit and worry about me.

It wasn't just about you. You were telling other gamers to accept it using your personal circumstances. An excuse for Nintendo.

One of my other hobbies include fragrances and lol some of these gamers would shit a brick if they seen how much Creeds cost or other brands I buy, theyd absolutely lose their minds.

We are talking about Nintendo here. Their consoles and games are designed for the casual/younger audience.

This casual/younger audience form the majority of the Nintendo user-base.

This console and games are overpriced for the average Nintendo gamer.

This isn't an Apple VR headset, Ferrari, RTX 5090 or even a PS5 Pro designed for the enthusiasts.

 

[Hollywood Hitman]

It wasn't just about you. You were telling other gamers to accept it using your personal circumstances. An excuse for Nintendo.



We are talking about Nintendo here. Their consoles and games are designed for the casual/younger audience.

This casual/younger audience form the majority of the Nintendo user-base.

This console and games are overpriced for the average Nintendo gamer.

This isn't an Apple VR headset, RTX 5090 or even a PS5 Pro designed for the enthusiasts.

Well it sounds like Nintendo has grown up is my point, but my point is also Nintendo wasnt always casual friendly in the 90s they had no mercy on cart prices.

I don't think 70 80 90 bucks for games in 2025, after decades of prices being not to far off.. Is that bad. It's my opinion, if most games are 70 or even 80, that isn't bad for anyone that can maintain a hobby like gaming

 

[Lethal01]

Series S was sold for $299 at launch.. $349 with 1TB. What's the excuse for less capable hardware selling for over $100 more?

Size, putting power into a small form factor is expensive, adding a screen and dock ontop of that is too.
Switch cost is inline with other harware of this size and power, its on the cheaper side really.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Series S was sold for $299 at launch.. $349 with 1TB. What's the excuse for less capable hardware selling for over $100 more?

The Switch is first of all a hybrid. Even the Switch 1 wasn't and still isn't really cheaper than the XSS. Console prices didn't go down since the pandemic but rather went up. The Switch is still 299 with dock. What did you expect from a more advanced Switch 2? 299 also?

And is the Switch 2 really less capable than the XSS? I think its at least more versatile. You can use it on the go as well.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

Tariffs aren't why it is $450.

Tariffs will be why they raise it to $550.

(I hope not)

 

[GoldenEye98]

Problem is if you tack a pro controller and sd card on you are looking at a fairly steep buy in price. Not everyone needs that but some might.

It's basically ~$800CAD pre tax for that in Canada. More if you want MK bundle.

 

[noob smokes]

LOL, that people are willing to line up and buy a console priced at 340 dollars in Japan for 450+ in the US and call that a good deal with a 110 dollar mark up before tariffs is laughable.

This is obviously not 450 dollars worth of kit.

Ppl happily paying over 350 for anything nintendo is wild to me

 

[Generic]

the GameChat social layer built into the console

But GameChat requires a paid Nintendo Online sub...

 

[DavJay]

Greed is the cause of the price tag. "Journalist" are already call that switch 2 demo game a "pack in"game when in fact it's not included and must be bought. People are paying so I don't blame them to be honest.

 

[pulicat]

Nah.. it doesn't when PS5 which has all those things + 10x the GPU power + 4x the storage, more Ram, faster SSD , better Audio chips are retailing for $399

PS5 doesn't have a screen lol.

PS portal $200
60hz screen, no VRR, no HDR, and no ray tracing
gpu 0.2 tflops
ram 4gb
6gb internal storage

LMAO.

 

[Panajev2001a]

But GameChat requires a paid Nintendo Online sub...

 

[SweetTooth]

PS5 doesn't have a screen lol.

PS portal $200
60hz screen, no VRR, no HDR, and no ray tracing
gpu 0.2 tflops
ram 4gb
6gb internal storage

LMAO.

Is that your counter argument? You can do better..what else will you say? Hall effect sticks LMAO

 

[j0hnnix]

The console price is just good, who keeps bringing up tariffs?

My old Legion Go was 649.

 

[Ebrietas]

PS5 doesn't have a screen lol.

PS portal $200
60hz screen, no VRR, no HDR, and no ray tracing
gpu 0.2 tflops
ram 4gb
6gb internal storage

LMAO.

The absolute delusion. You could also just remote play on any of your devices for free.

My macbook pro and iphone display absolutely decimate the garbage screen on switch 2.

 

[Radical_3d]

Looks like Beaker isn't going to back on tariffs. Super excited to see what will be the final price in the States!!

 

[ValiantInstance]

Switch 2 tech deserves that price point

120hz, VRR, HDR, Nvidia DLSS, ray tracing, 1.7TF portable, and 3.1TF docked.

Steamdeck $420 vs Switch 2 $450

This is seriously impressive. And to my knowledge this was developed in 7 weeks without DLSS.

 

[Efren is G.O.A.T.]

I'll be honest with you guys, I was expecting the console to launch at 500USD WITHOUT being bundled with anything. It translates to 700CAD here though which, while very expensive, I was getting mentally and financially prepared for that. So it came as a relief that MKW is included at that price...if I can manage to get a preorder in.

 

[LordOcidax]

Ppl happily paying over 350 for anything nintendo is wild to me

Nintendo should give The Switch 2 for free…

 

[SHAKEZ]

That's obvious, only terminally online and cultists thought that and wanted to blame everything but Nintendo's greed.

 

[RoadHazard]

If a switch OLED is £299 UK and years old. I don't see how £399 is out of order considering inflation etc. Seems like a respectable price up.

It is. Going from €390 (Switch OLED) to €620 (Switch 2) isn't though, and that's what's going on in Sweden and some other countries. It literally makes zero sense.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Switch 2 tech deserves that price point

120hz, VRR, HDR, Nvidia DLSS, ray tracing, 1.7TF portable, and 3.1TF docked.

Steamdeck $420 vs Switch 2 $450

I honestly thought I was on a forum of enthusiasts but the last week or so, around switch 2 news is really showing me that its not the case.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It is. Going from €390 (Switch OLED) to €620 (Switch 2) isn't though, and that's what's going on in Sweden and some other countries. It literally makes zero sense.

That sucks major balls. It seems like the UK is being treated fairly for once.

That makes no sense, they could… gasp… drop the price of the existing one and not raise the ceiling $100 each time you know ?

Is that what any console manufacturer did this gen?

Why did the PS4 pro and one X not drop in price and the PS5 and Series X cost the same as the PS4 pro?

 

[StereoVsn]

Yeah, this is a bad statement to me. What will it be with tariffs?

25-30% more?

 

[StereoVsn]

64GB gamecards are the issue for the first party price increase

That's why third parties have the option of using keycards which are only 32GB

Those keycards are probably like 1 or 2GB. SE is using that for Bravely Default Remaster which got to be under 10GB.

 

[Thaimasker]

If they hold they'll be the reason they cost over $600.. Possibly $1000+ if they go up even more (in the U.S)

 

[Fermbiz]

Blah blah blah... Whatever Nintendo. Just tell us the new preorder date and price so I know if I need to start saving cash or I should just outright skip this gen.

 

[UltimaKilo]

If a switch OLED is £299 UK and years old. I don't see how £399 is out of order considering inflation etc. Seems like a respectable price up.

We'll need to get out hands on a console and do a tear down for more accurate manufacturing pricing info.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Translation = The tariff price increase has yet to come lol.

 

[GHound]

It's not high enough. If the peasants aren't priced out of gaming I may have to move on to collecting offshore platforms instead.

 

[Durin]

The price of the console never bothered me, other than it was $50 more than I thought it would be.

It's PS4 fidelity in your hand with better upscaling than the Steam Deck playing Nintendo games, it already has more value to me than the other 2 consoles. That said, raising game prices another $10 in 5 years + charging for your virtual tour game + charging for some Switch 1 games getting a basic upgrade other consoles do for free across the board...nah fuck off with every bit of that.

Went from a day one thing for me to a wait and get down the line when more games dropped in price happens.

 

[yurinka]

Obviously, the US tariffs were announced after the price so couldn't consider them.

Nintendo usually prices their stuff more expensive than usual to sell everything at a profit, unlike Sony or MS, who often sold their hardware at a loss to maximize the userbase and later hopefully compensate it with the profit generated with game revenue (something that worked for Sony, but not for MS).