Yeah, as I wrote in the thread about revised forecast, Nintendo has a big issue with the software sales. Wii U (or 3ds outside Japan) owners don't buy software. Except for Mario and Zelda nothing sells properly.
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NPD Sales Results for December 2013 [Up2: Xbox One/360 HW, 3DS top system of year]
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Yeah, as I wrote in the thread about revised forecast, Nintendo has a big issue with the software sales. Wii U (or 3ds outside Japan) owners don't buy software. Except for Mario and Zelda nothing sells properly.
While I'm with you that Sonic Lost World does copy off Mario in ways, but this is a really stupid example. That's a crossover DLC stage, that's not the same thing.
Yeah. I wasn't really sure why everyone was going nuts in the start to the thread. I'm surprised it was that close with all of the supply constraints. It will be interesting to see which manufacturer moves more in January with nothing of note being released. Will demand drop or will a lot of the people who missed out on PS4's in November and December will be patient enough and motivated enough to purchase now.
Routinely? What figures have I missed? It wouldn't surprise me too much, but I'd like to see the details.
Sony have a future with handheld devices, but I can't see them making another dedicated gaming handheld.
He doesn't care about consumers, if you knew him. He used to say his fellow spaniard comrades bought the wrong hw because they were ignorant in the past (PS3 vs 360 days)
Now that is the opposite his message is radically different. Power or price does not seem to be important anymore.
Now on topic, solid numbers for all next gen systems including wiiU, but again, it is a special period in the year + launch (both hype and stock issues) so it won't be until february or march that we may see what the trend may be this generation
Throwing in two other games probably helped. 3 games for the price of one? In a popular series? Who can resist? I know I couldn't.
Raoul Duke
Banned
Final image. The real image is over my chart, you can see how my numbers are still off for a perfect match:
Well I sure as shit missed the boat... so is this the most accurate picture we have yet? Is it the picture?
Wait... who, what and where??? lol
Go_Ly_Dow
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Marketing it alongside KH3 after the announcement was a great move.
Seems to have rekindled the fandom somewhat.
Will be interesting to see how XHD performs given the high rate of next gen adoption. Maybe they will bring 2.5 to PS4 as well...
intheinbetween
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oh wow, finally someone has tracked my post history! yay fans! /sarcasm
If you have something constructive to say instead of trying to dismiss my opinion and trying to make a fanboy of me, just say it, otherwise don't try start an argument like that.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
lol. Poor guy.
Especially that KH number. ToX doing well as well. Still cannot believe how well Ni No Kuni did with no advertisements.
PS4 keeping up with XB1 despite being supply constrained is surprising as well.
It was something I saw mentioned in the Conception II rating thread, so I'm not sure how valid that is, though I can see among certain niche games like that it would do better. Kind of like how PC isn't where the largest sales are to be made on AAA games in the short term but indies can have far more success on Steam than consoles.
EDIT: And seeing the original post it COULD be just for Japan, though I wouldn't be surprised if similar happened here for the more niche games:
StoppedInTracks
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Big props to MS. Selling more or even the same amount of a $100 more expensive console than your biggest and better competitor is nothing but impressve.
If my random math is correct MS made ~$100M more on HW than Sony in December?
That is very impressive given its specs and the overall internet bile and hate towards Xbone.
If my random math is correct MS made ~$100M more on HW than Sony in December?
That is very impressive given its specs and the overall internet bile and hate towards Xbone.
Losing by 45k in december to launch in many more countries and a 1.2 million install base lead ww? I think Sony can live with that.
If you are talking about gross income sure, but definitely not net. The xbone costs more to produce than the ps4.
If you are talking about gross income sure, but definitely not net. The xbone costs more to produce than the ps4.
you post was confusing and some background may help. You already tried to spin the results by saying that PS4 shortages should not be considered in a sales thread in Christmas + Launch period just because a few said PS4 was outselling XB.
WordsintheWater
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It is being outsold by the PS4 though, isn't it? Since launch, the PS4 is ahead or am I reading this stuff wrong?
StoppedInTracks
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And yeah Titanfall will slaughter PS3 and PS4 in March.
intheinbetween
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I don't think my post is confusing at all. MS sold 15 mill units more because of some facts but mainly, they launched 1 year earlier and being 200$ cheaper than PS3 (50$ more expensive than Wii for the Core 360), those were the reasons that made MS sell that amount. Now MS and Sony are in a very different situation, while Sony learned from their mistakes and offered a great system for an incredible price, focused on gamers, MS went the other way, a more expensive console, less powerful but focusing on other multimedia aspects and adding Kinect to every SKU, offering something different. I didn't expect XB1 outselling PS4, that's the truth, I expected PS4 outselling it for 200k, but it didn't, so it could be because of shortages and these coming months PS4 could outsell again XB1, but as of now people keep buying XB1 so MS didn't do as bad as many expected, even more, they're doing very well.
I'm saying that because, in my opinion, a neck to neck situation means more games and services to attract more costumers. but, hey, I might be wrong.
well, I should've said "they would be outsold for this December's NPD"
StoppedInTracks
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Yeah that's what I said random math. For sure they made more money on the HW but I do not know really how much...
It's crazy, Sony should think about reassigning the stock from Europe back to the US. They should gain the biggest gap possible before Xbone gets a price drop - you won't achieve that with supply constrain.
Rofl, what does this even mean?
GoofsterStud
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LOL
These posts make me laugh. They remind me of how Mario will save the Wii-U.
WordsintheWater
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Now I understand what you meant, should have picked up on that in the December NPD thread haha.
On what platform though? Xbox 360 sold 2/3 as many consoles as the XBO in December which is damned impressive this late in the generation. That system still has strong legs in the US. Titanfall will do quite well on the 360 and will sell to a majority of current XBO owners, but as a title to get people rushing to the store to buy the $500 console that is already sitting on store shelves? A game that is also available on 360 and PC? I don't see it making the splash that people think it will as far as XBO system seller.
I'm still trying to figure out what it's doing that even requires next gen technology, since it was originally designed with this engine so that it could be ported to PS3 and 360 easily.
It's not Gears of War. There's no WOW factor like there was when I played Gears of War for the first time.
StoppedInTracks
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March NPD:
Titanfall 360+Xbone sales > 2x (best selling PS4 title + best selling PS3 title)
You can bookmark that.
What're you wagering
Lagspike_exe
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How much did KZ:SF do?
StoppedInTracks
Member
100% agreed. And once the price factor gets wavered down and people look at the market for games, Titanfall and all the already released games will close the gap a lot. Not totally there will be a 1-2 Million lead for awhile.
But the Xbox One will always sell way better than expected.
Aquamarine
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Salvor.Hardin
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Goddamn. Well done MS. The PS4 was outsold by a more expensive machine in the most important market in the world during the busiest shopping season. Crazy.
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Wait... the way I'm reading this is John's describing Link Between Worlds, not Mario 3D World... am I mistaken?
dragonbane
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Jesus. Beyond sold 800k outside the US? That's pretty damn impressive. Also surprised about The Last of Us. Great number, but since it did 985k in June alone I kinda figured it would do more than 488k in 6 additional months. Oh well, still a great number.
I don't think I need to bookmark it, it sounds pretty reasonable. What's even coming out on PS3 in March?
I was just confused about why you were drooling over the thought of it, but after seeing a few of your posts I'm not confused anymore.
So November doesn't count as part of the "busiest shopping season" ?
Eh, I think Titanfall will do big business for MS. Only in the short term, but it'll still be impressive to see just how many units it can shift.
slow. clap.
So after all those chest thumping, the diff is only 45k?
And this is when Sony was under supply too.
That spin...
Coulomb_Barrier
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This is one of the takeaways from these numbers. And they don't really add-up for MS.
I think they have used some insane math to get to '3 million sold-through'. Actual units sold is likely closer to 2.5-2.8 million.
InFamous (I assume you mean PS4)
Only a 40k difference in sales? Microsoft have already blew their load supply and demand wise while Sony is still keeping up demand January could get ugly, that's not promising looking forward from MS's perspective.
tbh I was expecting both consoles to break the 1 million barrier for some reason because of the focus on America Sony lesser so because of the they've gone international.
Yoshi
Headmaster of Console Warrior Jugendstrafanstalt
Really happy for Pikmin 3 and seeing Rayman Legends, I think, Ubisoft made a big mistake with the porting decision. Had they released the game in February for Wii U, the more active userbase in the launch drought would have made this a more sucessful release. Also they could still have ported it to PS360 with some small additions later on anyway. Regarding Sonic, do we have numbers for Sonic Generations PS360 from year's end 2011? I wonder how this compares.
That one must be kind of weird because by most accounts it's a better game than GT5 and was otherwise a fairly conservative sequel in a genre that doesn't exactly require reinventing the wheel (well, maybe the wheel physics.) Just they had to release it BOTH in December one of the worst months for a launch in general from my understanding) and right after the PS4 launched. Maybe it'd work better had the PS4 been way more expensive/less desirable like the PS3, and if the generation hadn't gone on as long as it did, but it seems people are just ready to move on except probably for the small niche that'll buy up late JRPGs.
BlackBuzzard
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I dont even know if you are serious or joking.
Facism
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even crazier when you know sony sold everything they sent out and xboxes are still widely available on shop shelves. a 50k difference when you've saturated your prime market and supply has outreached demand.
Big, big numbers. Wow.
Dig into his post history and you'll see.
No, I knew that one. I was just trying to figure out what was coming to PS3 in March that he thought was comparable to Titanfall on 360, but I guess that was the point of throwing both SKUs in there.