Bl4ckSunsh1n3
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NPD Sales Results for September 2014 [Up1: Smash/HW/MK8, Destiny stats, 3DS HW]
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This might be the greatest post ever. I just can't even...hahaha...
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Why?
If you don't want to put up with the bullshit, here's the NPD website: https://www.npd.com
Click "contact" and get all the NPD numbers hassle free, no begging, no hints, no clues, no puzzles, no charts.
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So, Destiny is essentially Halo 4.5, as far as sales are concerned.
And by that I mean how stronger US sales are compared to the rest of the world. Launch month comparison:
Watch Dogs
- US = ~3.2x UK
Destiny
- US = ~5x UK
We don't have much info on other countries, but Watch Dogs was selling on par with Destiny in Europe.
Click "contact" and get all the NPD numbers hassle free, no begging, no hints, no clues, no puzzles, no charts.
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So, Destiny is essentially Halo 4.5, as far as sales are concerned.
And by that I mean how stronger US sales are compared to the rest of the world. Launch month comparison:
Watch Dogs
- US = ~3.2x UK
Destiny
- US = ~5x UK
We don't have much info on other countries, but Watch Dogs was selling on par with Destiny in Europe.
th4tguy
Member
I would bite. I have a 3rd 360 collecting dust that I was going to trade in towards some credit I'm saving to use on a xbone.... or 2nd ps4 so my wife can play games with me.
Aces&Eights
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to cut down on GAF > Internet so these things can still happen
Exploratory
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Eh have you played Destiny? Ive already grown tired of it and many of my friends have as well. And I'm on PS4.
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Eh, my friends list is a bunch a of people (to include myself) that like the game and still long in for an hour or so every day. Maybe there are still folks that like the game?
CrazedProfessional
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Yeah, Destiny isn't such a big deal and it pretty much a disappointing display of cut content and an overhyping marketing machine. Its success shouldn't be considered an overall good thing if it gives game publishers reason to believe they can sell anything as long as they have the dollars and press on-side.
Everyone ignores the PS4's true October son, he who will bring the balance to the force. /sarcasm
Oh good lord. So cheesy.
Launch month wise this is pretty close to what the biggest Halos did, but it will depend a lot on how Activision can manage legs.
Aces&Eights
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Except this is not Patcher's job. He does this on the side and quite frankly, I think he enjoys trolling the shit out of Gaf.
NOW I understand your post le.... Because I quoted the post above to see if it had email tags... lol That and a few who actually did use them like Aqua... ;-)
MrNyarlathotep
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Also given that Wedbush Morgan owns shares in both Apple and MS it doesn't exactly hurt to be bullish on their prospects to the press.
Wildstar75
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At this point what can Microsoft do to turn things around? People want to play the systems and buy the games their friends have. Sony is whooping ass without any decent compelling exclusive holiday content. And at this point most of my friends have switched from Xbox 360 to PS4. Seems to be a trend that is gaining momentum. Whomever is left from the launch of the XBOX Executive team that launched xbox should be fired.
Oh, and Patcher really should have known better. Does he even pay attention to the forums?
Oh, and Patcher really should have known better. Does he even pay attention to the forums?
We witness this for months now, but this September NPD shows that you don't need exclusives to seel systems. It's the multiplats and Sony has the system that has the best console version of those, plus a decent machine that people want.
Crimson_Gold
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I think this proves that exclusive content is not what determines sales. People just want to be able to play the games they like with their friends. Exclusivity means little when you realize that
GlamFM
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This might be the greatest post ever. I just can't even...hahaha...
There´s also this work of art:
I said wow.
Fallout-with-swords
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I wouldn't be surprised if Xbox picks up later on when the more casual 360 players look to upgrade. I'm talking about the people who stick to COD and Madden, which there are a lot of.
Mere profitability is not enough and is not the goal in and of itself. The goal is high margin profitability. With their core products, Microsoft have 90% margins (Windows, Office, Enterprise), and a stranglehold on the marketplace. Consumer Electronics on the other hand, struggle to get about 10% margins and that is no where good enough.
Mattrick's plan would have given them a stranglehold and those high margins. An Xbox with a cut of all software, yearly memberships, and extensive Kinect-fueled biometrics for advertising would have been a goldmine if the competition had been the Wii U and a 2013 version of launch PS3. But Cerny's PS4 is a great console and so the Xbox division is in a hard spot: how to justify their exsistence within Microsoft given MS expectations?
Spencer's moves--such as buying Tomb Raider/TitanFall exclusivity, getting rid of Kinect, packing-in games, adding Games-with-Gold, and buying Gears of War IP--do nothing to get Xbox into the high margins. In fact, they all reduce margins. IMO, his mandate for his first year is nothing more than damage control. At best, he is going to do what Sony did with the PS3 in its first 18+ months, i.e. making the console into a product that isn't actively repulsive. Which leads to the question: what are they planning next?
The big push for MS before SN became CEO was 'one microsoft', wherein every division was supposed to work with every other division and create seamless products in a walled garden. I believe that this is still their goal, and SN is just the guy to make that into a reality.
MS would not make Windows 10 free for Windows 8 users and give away the mobile version without a solid plan for monetizing users. As such, MS' next big push is undoubtedly going to be getting people to use the Windows store 100% of the time. The easiest way of doing that in Windows is by doing what Apple does with OSX. In OSX a user cannot add software that hasn't been downloaded from the Apple store without toggling a hidden setting. Without that toggle, OSX puts up an ominous warning screen that adding software from untrusted sites will lead to ruination. This, in effect, forces all software through Apple for regular users who will never change hidden settings.
Their phones and RT tablets already force Windows Store use, which why they give that OS away. So, Xbox will have to do the same. But like Win10, it will have to be done in such a way that doesn't get gamer ire up, i.e. you will still have to be able to buy discs and used games.
So what might they do to get Xbox into the One Microsoft vision? My answer would be Minecraft + integration. The next version of Minecraft is undoubtedly going to be for MS products only and only available on the MS store. This is going to push tens of millions into the MS tablet-desktop-phone-xbox ecosystem. After that, they can make moves to get games like AC moving through the store on PC as well as X1 through crossplay and remote play on tablets if the user has purchased the product from MS store. An integrated X1 that pushes people into the overall ecosystem is a justified high margin x1.
In this scenario, MS wins, xbox division wins, and consumers end up with interoperable products that are very appealing.
Karsticles
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He's just making himself look bad. It's not like the journalist made up numbers. This is Pachter's stuff getting reported. How is a journalist an idiot for reporting facts he was given?
All we can say "It will be Interesting"
Trust me. I'm a PhD
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Maaaaaaaybe? I only know two "sports and COD only a year" guys personally (my eldest brother and a co-worker) who I both convinced to go PS4 by informing them of better looking games and that the rest on their friends where on it. As time goes on and the now 1 million gap (6+ million worldwide) increases this argument only gets weaker for Xbox1...
Cornbread78
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He is right, though. Of course, people only focus on the more flammable predictions.
one of your finer works sir...
spookyfish
Member
Maybe. I haven't been interested in the One at all, but I've preordered that one. I like the white, and I like the looks of Sunset Overdrive.
I think they'll have a bump. But, I bought the white PS4, and I already have a launch model, so I'm probably not the norm ...
spookyfish
Member
Oh, there have been some meltdowns!
That's why NPD threads are great -- no matter what happens, some people take this stuff WAAAAYYY too seriously.
shinra-bansho
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NBA 2K, Alien: Isolation and The Evil Within are the bigger releases for next month, so nothing on the scale of Destiny. Skylanders as well, but it will probably do most of its sales on the Wii. But at least there'll be new releases. There are also a couple of exclusives in Sunset Overdrive and Driveclub. It's also a shorter tracking month than September.
You won't see sales like this month. But given a few new releases and continued impetus from current titles and titles released last month, and the approaching holiday season, I don't expect it will completely crater.
Next big month for those systems will be November: COD: Advanced Warfare, Ass Creed, GTA, Dragon Age, Far Cry and a LEGO Batman game, coupled with Black Friday shopping.
Mengy
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Doesn't matter, the post is still incredible and worthy of recognition, irregardless of whether it was genuine or not.
At this point they've done just about all they can do to really make a difference. Titanfall didn't make much of a dent, although it was a good try. Forza Horizon 2 isn't doing it. The MCC is their last big weapon to try to even the playing field this holiday season. After that the momentum will only widen the gap. They can't really drop the price or they will lose tons of money on the console sales. They might be willing to do it just to gain marketshare, although I'm not even certain it would be that big of a boost to sales.
The only true big move I could see them making that MIGHT make a positive difference would be to make Xbox Live free. If their online network was free compared to Sony's pay service, that might persuade a lot of people to see enough value to buy the under powered X1. Might. Hell a free XboxLive coupled with the Master Chief Collection might even persuade me as a PC only gamer to see enough value in the Xbox1 to consider buying it. I'd buy it solely as a Halo Online Machine, lol. If I wanted to pay montly fees in order to game online I'd go back to playing World of Warcraft...
Chû Totoro
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Fanboys?!? Maybe he's upset by some posts or tweets but that doesn't seem very professional. If he doesn't want backslash why don't he keep this for his business contacts only? You want free publicy but you don't want the little things around it?
Ok Pach
Damage control. Is he seriously trying to justify his job or the quality of his work on Twitter?
I guess everything has been said about Pachter prediction already so I'll look at detailed numbers and the rest of the discussion now.
Fallout-with-swords
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Yeah kind of slim. Just anecdotally and looking at 360 NPD rating there are a lot of active 360 gamers who have not bothered to upgrade yet. I feel like those players are especially unaffiliated and care less about the difference between the consoles. If they can get a deal with a COD bundle or a free Madden like this year I think they would probably take it over a PS4. But yeah playing with friends is also a big part of those games too, so if everyone is getting a PS4, then different story.
MixedBeverage
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I seriously look forward to these threads every month, and we're just getting into the best season for NPD numbers! Thanks everyone who participates and makes my day!
pr0cs
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I think the terrible announce and launch of the XBO will haunt Microsoft for a long time, perhaps the entire generation. As they say 'first impressions are the most important'.
I think the XBO will be a profitable box but no where near the 360 in overall mindshare.
Microsoft just needs to continue on the course they are on now.
1) keep releasing unique, fun games (FH2, SO, MCC), thus far their releases have been very good, I'd argue better than Sony thus far
2) keep upgrading the box, this is the one thing that really makes me jealous, the XBO keeps getting really great upgrades to the machine on the OS level
3) keep improving XBL, Games with gold is a good start, it's clear XBL is still a lot more stable, reliable than PSN, they need to continue to make XBL more attractive
4) keep the price down, either bundle the shit out of the console or reduce the price. I really want an XBO but I still think the price is too high. Bundle a few games, throw in XBL gold memberships, extra controller, whatever it takes to get people on board.
The XBO was a console designed by committee and it shows. It came out as a jacknife and turned out to be a master of none. Hopefully this is a lesson to Microsoft and Sony, release a console with no real focus, with weaker hardware, rest on your laurels and people will forget about you.
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I'd also say that Microsoft failed because they put NO effort in BC. If the XBO came out and was BC with the 360 I would never would have switch to PS4. I was tied to the XBL ecosystem but when they reset with the XBO and gave me no incentive to stay they lost me as a customer. I would have bought a weaker, perhaps more expensive XBO if I didn't have to keep my 360 around.
I think the XBO will be a profitable box but no where near the 360 in overall mindshare.
Microsoft just needs to continue on the course they are on now.
1) keep releasing unique, fun games (FH2, SO, MCC), thus far their releases have been very good, I'd argue better than Sony thus far
2) keep upgrading the box, this is the one thing that really makes me jealous, the XBO keeps getting really great upgrades to the machine on the OS level
3) keep improving XBL, Games with gold is a good start, it's clear XBL is still a lot more stable, reliable than PSN, they need to continue to make XBL more attractive
4) keep the price down, either bundle the shit out of the console or reduce the price. I really want an XBO but I still think the price is too high. Bundle a few games, throw in XBL gold memberships, extra controller, whatever it takes to get people on board.
The XBO was a console designed by committee and it shows. It came out as a jacknife and turned out to be a master of none. Hopefully this is a lesson to Microsoft and Sony, release a console with no real focus, with weaker hardware, rest on your laurels and people will forget about you.
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I'd also say that Microsoft failed because they put NO effort in BC. If the XBO came out and was BC with the 360 I would never would have switch to PS4. I was tied to the XBL ecosystem but when they reset with the XBO and gave me no incentive to stay they lost me as a customer. I would have bought a weaker, perhaps more expensive XBO if I didn't have to keep my 360 around.
Still at it huh? Have to admire your dedication.
Aces&Eights
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Wow. Actually reading what next month has in store makes me super excited. Jesus, there are some games getting ready to drop!
Aces&Eights
Member
Lawd, he's been at it since before I went to bed last night.
I just got to work this morning.
Jesus, lol
If you look at gaming as a whole, there has never been more money or more users or more games, and great games too, like Dota2 and LoL. Really, the only people who are worried are makers of handhelds and sellers of retail games.
AmaterasuOni
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This is goddamn scary future for me as I'm a PC and PS4 player. I hope there's international laws that can stop this kind of monopolization. Microsoft is an evil corporation and I do not want to support them any further apart from the obvious Windows OS.
I haven't been following this thread for awhile so I don't know if its been answered. Do we actually know what PS+ numbers that have been doubled? Is it the number of PS+ members right before the launch of Destiny or maybe the number PS4 launched with? Either way its very impressive but saying they just doubled since Destiny launch leaves some up for interpretation no?
Fallout-with-swords
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I've always liked Pachter from the GT and Giant Bomb content I've seen him in. He's always seemed like a pot stirrer, but still, I can understand making 40 predictions and then being annoyed when only the long shot prediction is reported on and he gets judged and, frankly, vilified a bit for it.
Cornbread78
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Most of teh casual handheld gamers, now live on Google play and the Apple store. They are no longer buying a DS for Brain Age, etc. This is an unfortuantely residual effect of the Android explosion and how complex and useful the devices have become.
Aces&Eights
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I'm not a PC gamer but I know a loooot of my friends who are. Most are diehard Steam users. If MS came out and somehow made games like AC to be purchased through their store only there would be fricking riots in the streets. I agree, they will use IPs they own as leverage but I think most current multiplats are safe from a monopoly.
I also think a lot of non-PC gamers vastly underestimate Steam and their numbers. They are a goliath.
Oh, I am sure he hates all the grief but I think he does make the types of "predictions" like he did with Sept NPD numbers knowing it's going to cause a lot of people to cry. I actually like Patcher. He's got a good gig and seems to have some fun on the side. More power to him. I wish I had the power that caused people to stay up all night raging on message boards.
I don't think so. I think he's made it obviously clear that he doesn't enjoy the mountains of shit and bullying that he gets from ignorant fanboys on GAF and other places. I really wish the moderation would step up and do something.
I have a feeling BC will be coming to the Xbox one.
MixedBeverage
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He posts here?
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