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noob smokes
Member
Jason wang is oiling these pc dudes up & gettin ready to break & enter 
Unknown Soldier
Member
Jokes on them, the top end AMD card is likely to be a 5060 or 5070 competitor
manfestival
Member
I feel those limitations at times too. Kinda crazy how the 4090 being as good as it is at its price point yet can still be limiting.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The only sign NVIDIA cares about is this one $. As long as people give lots of those signs, NVIDIA will keep doing what they're doing.
DiddyInAHellcat
Member
Smh Gonna keep my 7900 XTX until 2026
asdasdasdbb
Member
If anything, prices will continue to climb in future generations. NV probably should come up with a new naming scheme.
FingerBang
Member
It really depends on what one expects:
The crypto crash (for GPU) happened for technological reasons, which is better ways of mining bitcoins that didn't involve a gaming GPU + a change in how Ethereum works.
Many other "crashes" happened because people realized the cow had run dry, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. Training LLMs seems to require more and more power, and at the moment there is only one major player. But the others, especially the big ones, aren't sleeping. They obviously want to make their own hardware, but they're playing catch-up
This "boom" will stop either when one of these two things happens:
The market loses interest in AI
Other ways of training models become more efficient than using GPUs
Don't hold your breath
Haint
Member
Much better to wait and buy a used 4090. Every 1.5 or 2 5090s sold will produce a used 4090 on the second hand market. 50-75% of 5090 buyers will be upgrading from 4090s.
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T4keD0wN
Member
They can for a 5090, they cant for a 5080. Either way we will see soon.
I was talking about 5080 not 5090, they can charge whatever they want for the best one, the ceiling will be below equivalent workstation cards. 1700 for a 5090 sounds like a steal to me, i doubt those will be below 2000 and even that seems cheap, real AIB "street" prices will probably be closer to 3k than 2k, possibly more due to scalpers/limited availability.
5080 will be just 16gb so mainly just for gamers and theres options for those who want 16-24gb cards (obviously theyll all be weaker, but 4070ti super still more than enough for almost everyone) and 4090 will be an option for those who want similar performance.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Wait until you cant get a 5090 at all due to shortages.
Soodanim
Member
It still baffles me when people say "I think I'll stick with my 4090"
Yeah no shit, you have to be the ultimate whale/have Saudi oil level disposable income to think upgrading every generation is worth it. Unless there's a huge breakthrough in GPU tech, which isn't happening when nVidia care more about AI, of course it's going to be incremental.
More money than sense.
Yeah no shit, you have to be the ultimate whale/have Saudi oil level disposable income to think upgrading every generation is worth it. Unless there's a huge breakthrough in GPU tech, which isn't happening when nVidia care more about AI, of course it's going to be incremental.
More money than sense.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Yep.
Didn't they discontinue all 4080+ cards? I don't think you can buy one in the US.
Fess
Member
So what’s your long term plan then?
New hobby?
I doubt I’ll upgrade this time but I don’t see a solution to stay away long term, it’ll just end with lousy framerates or visual downgrades that’ll turn me into an even grumpier old man.
Maybe in a decade if cloud gaming is better I might skip both consoles and new graphics cards.
Soulja
Member
I may just go with the AMD this time around. I'm not 100% set on a 5090. I'd like one, but I'm paying 2.5k+. Tbh with the games I play, I would probably be okay with a 7900XTX.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
wow these prices are insane... and lower tier cards are 12gb withexception of 5070ti which will also be too expensive.
that's nuts. Nvidia greedy bastards.
IMO 90 cards shouldnt even exist. It's clearly just a product because people will buy it. But I don't consider it top of the stack. more like an extra
3080 was 700$ with free game for fucking sake. (which I sold).
but nvidia saw that people will pay scalper prices
that's nuts. Nvidia greedy bastards.
IMO 90 cards shouldnt even exist. It's clearly just a product because people will buy it. But I don't consider it top of the stack. more like an extra
3080 was 700$ with free game for fucking sake. (which I sold).
but nvidia saw that people will pay scalper prices
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Unknown Soldier
Member
The Founders 5090 will probably be $2k, eternally sold out everywhere, and the AIB ones will be $2500
I wish scalping was a crime punishable by prison time so people could actually buy a Founders at launch
I wish scalping was a crime punishable by prison time so people could actually buy a Founders at launch
Unknown Soldier
Member
It's going to be objectively hilarious when he finds out how much other hobbies cost
Thebonehead
Gold Member
rm082e
Member
I think it will be the bolded. I don't think gen AI provides enough value to the masses to justify them paying a subscription for it. I also don't think the tech companies can fund it with advertising. They're subsidizing it right now, but i don't see any reason to think it's on a glide path to profitability.
When the tech companies can no longer justify throwing money into the furnace to subsidize it, they'll have to eliminate the free access to it. Once that happens, I think the bubble bursts.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Then NVIDIA has successfully fooled you. The 4090 and 3090 aren't any more impressive compared to the full die than any other top cards like the 2080 Ti or 1080 Ti. In fact, those two were much closer to the full power of the big die than either the 3090 or 4090. NVIDIA has just introduced the 90 scheme as a way to get suckers to think it was even higher on the product stack when it occupies the same place as the 80 Ti before. They just knocked everyone else down a tier.
Buggy Loop
Gold Member
This I don't get
Ada sales are abysmal compared to Ampere.
This will also be shit sales
I think they just don't care. Gaming GPUs are an hinderance and waste of silicon wafer and good VRAM for them that could have been used for AI GPUs with even more margin. They're raising prices until gamers give up.
Intel and AMD have never had the door more wide open than this to enter the market and grab marketshare. Problem is they are also chasing AI..
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The 7900XTX is a great GPU, but why get rid of the 4090 in that case?
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Yes that’s what I am saying
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Well, do you think the 1080 Ti and 2080 Ti shouldn’t have existed? Because the 3090 and 4090 are the continuation of those cards. The 3080 Ti isn’t.
4090=4080 Ti
4080=4070 Ti
4070 Ti=4070
4070=4060 Ti
4060 Ti=4060
4060=4050
This is the real product stack.
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Bernoulli
M2 slut
there are always "whales" that will buy them no matter the price, same was said for the 4090
Radical_3d
Member
TIL that hopium is mostly hydroxy.
Fess
Member
There are cheaper hobbies but staying on current gear forever because the cost is increasing just seems absurd.It's going to be objectively hilarious when he finds out how much other hobbies cost
I keep saying it but seriously people should look into how to trade stocks. Can even look at Nvidia’s stock. Imagine if you invested $500 in Nvidia in January, that would be $1375 if you sold the stocks today. No 5090 but could at least get a PS5 Pro for your initial $500 investment. Wait another year and that $1375 could get you a 5090. I keep saying ”could” because it’s important to say that you never know how it’ll go. But it’s better to at least have a chance to upgrade than angrily conclude that you’ll never buy anything again.
delirium trigger
Member
1,500 for a 5080? Even that would surprise me and I know they suck with pricing.
GHG
Member
Genuinely might consider sitting this one out, it's getting a bit ridiculous now, even for me. Neither my 4090 or 4080 are at a point in anything I play where I'm itching for an upgrade, so if need be I'll just hold on to what I have at see where things land with the 6000 series.
If anyone is interested, word is that enterprise customers are starting to scoff at the price increases and some of Nvidia's business practices such as showing reluctance to sell anything other than fancy server racks.
We are embraking upon a tipping point on the enterprise side of things because what's keeping this gravy train going is FOMO - where all the AI competitors don't want to be left behind on the hardware side of things and fall behind those who have purchased the latest and greatest hardware. The biggest issue though - most of them are struggling to monetise (and come up with solutions for monetising) their AI solutions in a way that justifies the relentless continued cost of needing to stay "on cycle" from a hardware perspective.
So in summary, enterprise are being pushed to their limits as far as cost is concerned, as are regular consumers. The biggest issue everyone faces though is the fact that there's no meaningful alternative. So until that changes, Nvidia will continue to milk the situation for all it's worth.
If anyone is interested, word is that enterprise customers are starting to scoff at the price increases and some of Nvidia's business practices such as showing reluctance to sell anything other than fancy server racks.
We are embraking upon a tipping point on the enterprise side of things because what's keeping this gravy train going is FOMO - where all the AI competitors don't want to be left behind on the hardware side of things and fall behind those who have purchased the latest and greatest hardware. The biggest issue though - most of them are struggling to monetise (and come up with solutions for monetising) their AI solutions in a way that justifies the relentless continued cost of needing to stay "on cycle" from a hardware perspective.
So in summary, enterprise are being pushed to their limits as far as cost is concerned, as are regular consumers. The biggest issue everyone faces though is the fact that there's no meaningful alternative. So until that changes, Nvidia will continue to milk the situation for all it's worth.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
That's no comparing. It's different times, different pricing.
1080ti was at least MUCH faster than 1080. it was 700$ ffs.
The fastest card at that time.
Also. LOL
1080 was 599 in 2016. that's 800 today.
so yeah. Nvidia is royally fucking us all.
besides as I've said. 3080 was 700... and even that was expensive for having only 10gb
Soodanim
Member
It's crazy how quickly that went away. People kicked up a minor fuss for a week then just accepted the arbitrarily renamed product line done only to bump up prices.
Consumers almost deserve to get shafted
Schmendrick
Member
That's a keeper for sure
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And then you woke up.
Big Baller
Al Pachinko, Konami President
Lord Panda
The Sea is Always Right
I guess my trusty 3090 is going to keep me warm past this upcoming generation as well.
For that amount of money for a 5080/5090, I'll probably spend on another 3D printer or two.
For that amount of money for a 5080/5090, I'll probably spend on another 3D printer or two.
LavitzSlambert
Member
If it turns out the new cards maintain the same US pricing as the 4000 series, you better be just as angry. It’s bad enough with current prices, this would be even worse. Have some standards and demand better - when you look at Nvidia’s margins you know they have plenty of room to fall.
MikeM
Member
I never buy used electronics. Go nuts if that is your jam though.
No idea. I can still find 4080s in Canada though.
Any ETA? Stock getting that low?
I bought one during black friday but Im still waiting on it.
Durin
Member
What's also sad is they'll likely skimp on vram for every card but the top-end, artificially restricting performance and fidelity despite every other spec being capable on mid to budget cards.
I really hope AMD can offer a good mid-tier card and FSR catch up to DLSS, with decent ray-tracing performance to force prices back down.
Intel's latest card at least offers a good $250 budget option finally with 12gb of vram. Solid 1440p card.
I really hope AMD can offer a good mid-tier card and FSR catch up to DLSS, with decent ray-tracing performance to force prices back down.
Intel's latest card at least offers a good $250 budget option finally with 12gb of vram. Solid 1440p card.