SunnySideGuy
Neo Member
I wonder if a 5080 will be enough of an upgrade from my 3080 at 4k. I jut really want to upgrade because Im struggling with recent releases
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rodrigolfp
Haptic Gamepads 4 Life
He can play gazillions of games at maximum settings, 4k, 240fps.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
With older and less demanding games, it can. AAA games though? Nah.
It just needs to have DP 2.1.
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Puscifer
Member
I have plenty hobbies cycling, yoga, hiking, magic the gathering, board games and scale models and guitar to name some.
Honestly? Indie games and older titles have been getting my attention more and more. I think at this point I'm just going to rock my current set-up and call it a day.
My PS5 exist for Death Stranding and GTA 6, I barely care about most games these days but between what games are becoming and what actually interest me nothing Nvidia is releasing can change my mind if this is true.
If AMD can catch-up with RT, which let's be honest, is the ONLY thing keeping them back (Anti lag 2 is right there with reflex) I can see myself switching but as it stands I just can't do it, it's ridiculous.
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Puscifer
Member
Of course they do. The 4090 only cost around 430 dollars to manufacturer and package, it could've been a 1000-1200 dollar card and had everyone jump on it for the performance factor alone but this? It's insanity.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Nope but the closer I can get the better and the 5090 will get me the closest yet
SportsFan581
Member
soon
That's priceless.
Looks like LG has an oled at 480Hz but 1440p coming out in January. 4k 480Hz oled surely can't be far behind? Let's bring back sli!
In DBZ terms how powerful is that GB200 compared to the 5090?I agree, but absent of AMD and/or Intel really stepping things up at the premium end of the GPU market, Nvidia will continue to push boundaries in terms of maximising margins. They would rather let their customers (both consumer and enterprise) inform them that they've pushed things too far than they would leave money on the table.
The logic behind waiting for the 6000 series is that we will have to hope either AMD or Intel manage to drastically step things up in the next 3-4 years which would force Nvidia to recondiser continuing to expand their margins with every new product launch.
If the situation remains the same as it is now then those of us who have held on to 4000 series cards will be double fucked because the 6000 series will be even more expensive and our cards will be worth far less than they are now.
The GPU market is their business. The cards that we get as gamers are just drastically cut down (and simplified) versions of what they supply to enterprise.
The reason we are getting fucked on pricing is because they are fucking the likes of Microsoft, Tesla, Meta, etc on pricing. The table below are the enterprise grade GPU's:
GB200 is ~$70,000 per unit.
The 5090 will be GB202, the 5080 will be GB203.
Celcius
°Temp. member
480hz would be amazing
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TheTony316
Member
16 GB for almost 2k
Only an idiot would buy/support that shit, but we all know a few around here who will.
I bet it'll be the same guys who complained about the Pro price.
TheTony316
Member
700 minimum.
Radical_3d
Member
With 12GB.
Topher
Identifies as young
So......5070 Ti at $1200? Leaves room for a Super before and Ti Super after.
Kind of absurd that I look at these prices and think "yeah, it's possible".
Fess
Member
I’d say just go with AMD instead of quitting the hobby in that case. Raster performance is often good and RT while cool isn’t really a must to enjoy the games. I almost went with a 7900XT for my couch PC over the 4080S I eventually bought. Good enough performance for a 60hz TV in most cases and roughly $500 cheaper and 20GB VRAM vs 16GB.
I’ve thought that gaming is too expensive for a long time tbh. But what can you do? It is what it is.
As said, look into the stock market and plan ahead, start small so it doesn’t ruin you if it gets bumpy, then just let it grow. Sell every 3 years or so. Can buy and sell more often when you feel like you know what you’re doing.
Then buy what you really want.
TheTony316
Member
European prices:
4070: 550-600€
4070S: 650-750€
Ti Super: 850-950€
There's no way the 5070 starts at 499, at least not in Europe.
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TheTony316
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FingerBang
Member
It doesn't matter how new and powerful the hardware is. You can take any modern game and hack the settings until your card starts chugging. There's no such thing as unlimited power.
Also, path tracing/full ray tracing is something even the 4090 can barely do. It needs upscaling and frame generation for that.
That said, I still find the 4090 to be a beast and expect it to be a beast in the next generation as well. I bet my ass the 5080 will at beast trade blows with it, maybe being faster in some games but not in others and being worse in ray tracing.
TheTony316
Member
For real. I always went for the 70 series cards and never paid more than 350€.
I got the GTX 570 for 290€ and that was just a few months after launch.
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wafflecioccy
Neo Member
There goes my plan to sell my RTX 4080 I got for au1500 brand new in January and get the RTX 5080.
peish
Member
Samsung is selling them overpriced GDDR7 already
Samsung dont even trust Samsung for their flagship Galaxy phones. Do PC gamers want a 666W 5090?
It is inevitable, flagship GPU are never going under $1999 again. I wonder if future 6090 will add in an ARM cluster from mediatek, and boom you have a capable AI Crypto mining compute unit running Linux Windows at $1,999
Codeblew
Member
At that point, just load linux on the ARM CPU, add an M2 slot to the GPU and you don't even need a motherboard.
kiphalfton
Member
At this point, may as well get a 7900 XTX, and call it good. Has 24GB of VRAM, and is second to the RTX 4090. But costs 50%+ less.
DeaconOfTheDank
Member
Welp, consider me as part of the problem then.
Still using the same PC from 2018 (i5-9600k and 2080Ti). It's served me well, but it's time to lay the old girl to rest.
Now it's time for a new build, and I won't settle for anything less than 9800X3D and 5090.
Still using the same PC from 2018 (i5-9600k and 2080Ti). It's served me well, but it's time to lay the old girl to rest.
Now it's time for a new build, and I won't settle for anything less than 9800X3D and 5090.
wafflecioccy
Neo Member
Not sure about that - it being second to the 4090. DLSS and RT are kinda relevant nowadays.
wafflecioccy
Neo Member
Why do you want the 5090?
peish
Member
We had a chance for Intel to take on Tsmc, but that chance vanished earlier this month when Intel's greedy board fired the Pat man.
It is perverse but the way forward for gamers to synchronise your new GPU with PC build, is to be invested in Nvidia, Tsmc and ASML.
Stonks go up, GPU affordability goes down.
Stonks go down, GPU affordability goes up
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Europe: 21% VAT
US: 40% Trump tax
US: 40% Trump tax
Lucifers Beard
Member
Too much to justify spending on one component in my opinion. The only way you'll ever drive those prices back down is by not buying into it. Shame that'll never happen!
asdasdasdbb
Member
Prices aren't going back down. What might happen is that future dies will get smaller and smaller... but it might be tough to get improvements.
It's like shrinkflation.
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I doubt the RTX5080 will be $1599, this price is probably just a placeholder and it's also possible that the Nvidia marketing team is responsible for these price leaks, because if people are expecting $1599, then even $1199 will seem "attractive", even though it will be still expensive .
These new prices are ridiculous, and I'm not sure we'll ever see a high-end Nvidia card for under $1000, because node shrinks no longer reduce costs, they increase them. Soon it will be impossible to shrink a node even a little. I wonder what will happen with PC platform few years from now when more and more people wil be unable to afford decent GPUs? People will probably play old games and stop upgrading.
The low-end segment is already unattractive. Nvidia still sells cards with 8GB of VRAM, even though it's not enough even at 1080p and with reduced settings. The RTX4060ti 16GB is the first nvidia card that I consider good enough. I saw benchmarks of this card across many RT games and it seems that this card can run everything at 1080p with RT (many games even at 1440p) with the help of DLSS + FG and most importantly it has enough VRAM to use RT and FG at the same time. The RTX4060ti is almost as fast as the PS5Pro in raster and much faster in RT, so it's not a bad card for gamers expecting just to play games.
It seems I made the right choice when I bought the RTX4080S in July. At first I wanted to buy used 2080ti and wait for the RTX5080, but luckily my 2080ti was faulty and I returned it. The performance of the RTX4080S far exceeded my expectations and it looks like the RTX5080 will only be marginally faster, despite being way more expensive. It will be many years before a sub $1000 GPU gives me reasons to upgrade (at least 2x better performance).
.These new prices are ridiculous, and I'm not sure we'll ever see a high-end Nvidia card for under $1000, because node shrinks no longer reduce costs, they increase them. Soon it will be impossible to shrink a node even a little. I wonder what will happen with PC platform few years from now when more and more people wil be unable to afford decent GPUs? People will probably play old games and stop upgrading.
The low-end segment is already unattractive. Nvidia still sells cards with 8GB of VRAM, even though it's not enough even at 1080p and with reduced settings. The RTX4060ti 16GB is the first nvidia card that I consider good enough. I saw benchmarks of this card across many RT games and it seems that this card can run everything at 1080p with RT (many games even at 1440p) with the help of DLSS + FG and most importantly it has enough VRAM to use RT and FG at the same time. The RTX4060ti is almost as fast as the PS5Pro in raster and much faster in RT, so it's not a bad card for gamers expecting just to play games.
It seems I made the right choice when I bought the RTX4080S in July. At first I wanted to buy used 2080ti and wait for the RTX5080, but luckily my 2080ti was faulty and I returned it. The performance of the RTX4080S far exceeded my expectations and it looks like the RTX5080 will only be marginally faster, despite being way more expensive. It will be many years before a sub $1000 GPU gives me reasons to upgrade (at least 2x better performance).
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Corporal.Hicks
Member
That's not true.Yup ppl who still got and are fine with 1080p resolution can make massive savings on the gpu purchases, simply coz even if u play same game, exactly same settings/fps but u only need it to be 1080p instead of 4k, thats 4x fewer pixels, which roughly translates to 3x lower performance needed from ur gpu(logically it should be 4x , but in reality its usually around 3x , still plenty coz for example u will be fine with rtx 4060(msrp and actual street price 300usd) and at same settings u will get same(or even bit more)fps vs 2,5k usd rtx 4090 owner who plays at native 4k.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060 Specs
NVIDIA AD107, 2460 MHz, 3072 Cores, 96 TMUs, 48 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2125 MHz, 128 bitwww.techpowerup.com
RTX4060 85fps average at 1080p based on 25 games tested
RTX4090 118fps at 4K
The RTX4090 is still significantly (38%) faster than the RTX4060, even when rendering 4x as many pixels.
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Kenpachii
Member
Personally waiting for ultrawide screens to come in 360/480hz oled. Hope some get announced next month.
Dr.D00p
Member
480Hz...Pffft, sloooow.
1000Hz OLEDs expected in 2026/7 is where it's at.
True CRT replacement territory is nearly here.
PeteBull
Member
Thats ok, u still saving tons of cash by staying at 1080p that way, makes sense that 4060 cant keep up with 4090 coz after all, its only around 1/3rd of 4090 performance, even if u bump it up up to 4060ti 8gigs u get 107fps avg at 1080p vs 118fps at 4k from 4090, thats very close and still, 4060ti 8gigs is 380usd streetprice right now, vs 2500usd streetprice of 4090That's not true.
RTX4060 85fps average at 1080p based on 25 games tested
RTX4090 118fps at 4K
The RTX4090 is still significantly faster than the RTX4060, even when rendering 4x as many pixels.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
WOLED I don’t think I will4k 480hz?
Who needs that kind of FPS?
But….
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Have fun dropping $2k on these to play Dragon Age Veilgard at 240fps.
I’ll stick with my existing setup playing the very best games in the industry - none of which need a high end setup.
I’ll stick with my existing setup playing the very best games in the industry - none of which need a high end setup.
Corporal.Hicks
Member
I'm not saying your logic is wrong. I was just pointing out the fact that the RTX4060 just can't match (let alone surpass, as you said) the RTX4090's performance at 4K, even when running games at 4x lower resolution. You need 3070ti or RX6800 to get similar performance and that's only in raster games (keep in mind Ada architecture has up to 2x faster RT compared to ampere, yet alone RDNA2).Thats ok, u still saving tons of cash by staying at 1080p that way, makes sense that 4060 cant keep up with 4090 coz after all, its only around 1/3rd of 4090 performance, even if u bump it up up to 4060ti 8gigs u get 107fps avg at 1080p vs 118fps at 4k from 4090, thats very close and still, 4060ti 8gigs is 380usd streetprice right now, vs 2500usd streetprice of 4090
BTW. My $1000 RTX4080S (93fps stock clocks, and around 100fps with OC) can also outperform the RTX4060 ($299) 85fps while still running games at 4x higher resolution, 10-17% is not much, but I still consider 4x resolution increase for 3.3x the price a good value.
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Hohenheim
Member
Yeah, Veilgard is probably the sole reason why folks wants a 5090. For sure!
Corporal.Hicks
Member
480Hz is a very exciting feature for me, it should make the "CRT beam blur reducing simulator" extremely convincing (at the moment, this simulator is only available in RetroArch, but I think it will not be long before Reshade supports it as well making it possible to play 60fps games at close to CRT motion clarity).
But 1440p OLEDs are not good enough for me. Text clarity on 1440p OLEDs is not good, and CRT masks are usually optimised for 4K resolution. 4K 480Hz is not going to be released in the near future for sure due to the bandwidth limitations, but maybe some company will offer a 4K 240Hz panel with dual 1440p 480Hz mode. 1440p on a 4K panel would still look good (there will be a black border, but the 1440p image size should be comparable to my current 27-inch 1440p monitor).
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
Honestly I'm playing pixel games and old shit on my gaming PC...
But I still want one.
But I still want one.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Also, Jensen is going the briefing live. They have an idea on pricing but it can literally change right up until the last minute. Only Jensen knows.
I gave up on the insanity of PC a very long time ago. Constant upgrades, driver installs, games not working, constant tweaking and it's gotten worse.
I just want to plat games. PlayStation all the way.
PC Master race? More like elite royalty dining on caviar and driving Aston martins.
No thanks. Enjoy selling your kidney every 6 months. Insanity.
I just want to plat games. PlayStation all the way.
PC Master race? More like elite royalty dining on caviar and driving Aston martins.
No thanks. Enjoy selling your kidney every 6 months. Insanity.