Crayon
Member
Holy s*** this speech to text.
That s*** is hilarious though I'm going to leave it for posterity.
Interfectum
Member
Interfectum
Member
Yeah I heard the same shit when Apple entered the TV box and VR space. Their name doesn't guarantee success and they would have absolutely no patience or desire to appease the hardcore gaming crowd (ie the very crowd they would need for a high budget game machine to succeed).
Nintendo's Witch
Member
Is this and Xbox? 
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
The system has gotten itself a major revision a year after release & the software gets daily updates. Valve also have not been quiet about their plans for the deck in the future.
Itll be fine
Yes, because generic third person mass appeal slop and $700 barely impressive hardware without a disk drive is any better?Yeah because Valve sure is delivering so many great exclusive banger titles these days. What an an awesome thing to do for gaming, what we need is more hardware
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Oh no
Not the disc drive you won’t get on mediocre hardware at a higher price with the Slop Machines either
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So you aren't fully aware on how business works then, huh?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
ARE YOU ON CRACK!?!
Do you understand how many units the Steam Deck is estimated to sell per year?
Crayon
Member
Discount brand-x crack.
Topher
Identifies as young
Topher
Identifies as young
That ain't it man. We are not talking about a business model that relies on massive adoption rates for the company to see returns. Consoles are sold at a loss (or tiny profit) in order to gain market share and make money through services and software sales. Steam Deck is not like that. Frankly, neither is PS5 Pro. Bottom line: if Steam Deck was making Valve lose money then they would stop making the thing but here we are getting newer models, more colors, etc. So gamers should "care" about sales only to the extent that it means continued support for the device like
BennyBlanco
said.
Bry0
Member
The “AMD lilac” bench he is referring to actually has a 8540u and a 7600m xt.
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
reinking
Gold Member
Is this and Xbox?
Are we all Xbots?
Crayon
Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
That ain't it man. We are not talking about a business model that relies on massive adoption rates for the company to see returns. Consoles are sold at a loss (or tiny profit) in order to gain market share and make money through services and software sales. Steam Deck is not like that. Frankly, neither is PS5 Pro. Bottom line: if Steam Deck was making Valve lose money then they would stop making the thing but here we are getting newer models, more colors, etc. So gamers should "care" about sales only to the extent that it means continued support for the device like
You guys are right about that specifically. But lets stop playing dumb. If the Steam Deck was selling 15 million units a year vs. 2 million a year.........Valve would not treat those two outcomes the same. Why do we have to play stupid? It's okay if you and
BennyBlanco
don't care about sales if the product is getting support, but others do care because companies react differently to something that's selling crazy high vs. something that's selling "well enough".
reinking
Gold Member
Not quite.
This is a cat bot.
..and this is a chicken bot.
..but in this new world of Xbox, we are all Xbots.
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Crayon
Member
..and this is a chicken bot.
Good lord. I tip my hat to you.
Bry0
Member
Sure, but Valve is not a publically traded corporation, and presumably from Gabe Newells comments on the deck, I don’t think there measure of success was ever something like 15 million units a year. I think in the context of valve and their expectations, the deck is clearly a huge success for them, thus you can reasonably expect good support going forward. In fact, I think the deck is a safer bet than something like a legion go which is going to get new variants every year.You guys are right about that specifically. But let’s stop playing dumb. If the Steam Deck was selling 15 million units a year vs. 2 million a year.........Valve would not treat those two outcomes the same. Why do we have to play stupid? It's okay if you and
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64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Yeah, but those outcomes don't exist as of now, so let's not really think about that.
We're in the here and now, and reality says that even if the system sold 100k units LTD Valve would support it. That's just their M.O. It isn't as expensive on them as something like the PS5 is to Sony, and they don't need constant growth like a public company. They can afford to have side hustles like this with ease.
The only device I can think of that they've 100% abandoned is the original Steam Machines, for good reason. And this thread has proven that they've not abandoned the concept behind them, at least.
digital_ghost
I am a closet furry. Don't you judge me.
And people thought PS5 pro was expensive.
Steam machine starting at only $1300.
Steam machine starting at only $1300.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh it 100% will be supported. If Valve makes this Steam Machine, it'll be fine. I'm just explaining why some people care about how much their devices sale.
And the Steam controller. But yes, for the most part Valve is good at supporting their hardware.
Crayon
Member
I like pc and console and I LOVE this, so the math checks out here.
Kacho
Member
Very profound
I think it's to push steamOS. The first time they failed it was because of the poor performance and compatibility on linux.
Trogdor1123
Member
Im waiting for the day we can do that with our phones. The windows phones from years ago were marching down this path but it never caught on.I can see Valve creating a dock that allows you to use your own GPU. Company called Beelink does this with their mini PCs
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
Just like steam machines it seems like they haven't abandoned the concept because of the rumored SC2 in development.
If you've got a PC, especially a compact one, this doesn't have much use for you. PC SteamOS3 would be a way bigger bombshell IMHO.
I'd be interested to see how they tackle it though after 10+ years worth of mistakes and lessons from a lot of their previous hardware.
ozz ex machina
Member
Oh no
Not the disc drive you won’t get on mediocre hardware at a higher price with the Slop Machines either
I don't really care about this but that argument is so fucking stupid when pricing in the PC ecosystem for digital games is great value and competitive. You can get keys for most games on launch for a good price.
Console digital pricing, especially Sony - is incredibly grotesque and anti-consumer. There is zero logical reason to charge the costs they do for their digital titles. Thus the disc drive is quite essential.
Perrott
Member
$700 Steam machine wouldn't be held back by whatever rationale that prevented the utilization of a more modern AMD CPU architecture on the PS5 Pro SoC, which would likely come alongside the flagship features that had been setting these processors apart from the competition on the PC front, namely their 3D V-Cache.
Neither would it be limited by the clock frequency-based backwards compatibility of the current PlayStation ecosystem, which has likely prevented Sony from going nuts with a high-frequency PS5 Pro design due to the uncertainties in regards to how that would bode for backwards compatibility on the PS6.
Valve simply doesn't need to have any of those considerations in mind when designing their own hardware, so they in turn have more possibilities ahead of them than Sony.
March Climber
Member
Interfectum
You're 20-40 years too soon for your take. The only way I can see Valve speedrunning a console war win is if they go up on stage and do this:
Or this:
and severely undercut the competitors with a powerful handheld. Otherwise this future of Steam eventually winning in the long run won't happen for decades.
mayham2199
Member
If they don't fix Steamos and MP games it's going to be DOA.
Topher
Identifies as young
You guys are right about that specifically. But lets stop playing dumb. If the Steam Deck was selling 15 million units a year vs. 2 million a year.........Valve would not treat those two outcomes the same. Why do we have to play stupid? It's okay if you and
Playing stupid? I'm talking about a real business model and you are bringing up hypotheticals. I have no idea how Valve would react if SD sold 15 million a year. So you tell me. Outside of Valve simply making a lot more money, how would Valve react differently?
I know why console owners care. It is because consoles traditionally come from a model where if one company doesn't get much traction then support for their product from third parties will fall off and the console will die on the vine. Much like the old Steam machines. New Steam devices don't work that way. Out of the box, Steam Deck has over 10k playable games. Valve doesn't have to sell at a loss to gain market share on Asus or Lenovo. Every device sold in the PC space has Steam at its center. So obsessing over sales is very much a console centric thought process and that is coming from someone who has been highly engaged in console sales discussions for many years.
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Perrott
Member
Valve's hardware strategy is not about "winning" anything, but to just further the engagement of the most hardcore or potentially hardcore Steam users by giving them extra reasons to engage with their storefront and ecosystem over those of the competition.
Or this:
and severely undercut the competitors with a powerful handheld. Otherwise this future of Steam eventually winning in the long run won't happen for decades.
Steam Deck was a great success for them because they captured part of the gaming crowd that used to favor the Switch as the de facto platform for indie games, due to its portability factor. And now that Xbox seem to be moving away from a traditional console and shifting towards what sounds like consolized-PC designs (both in handheld and "home console" form factors), Valve might want to face them head-on and compete for that particular niche of the market, since they are much better equipped to offer a better user experience, with a superior storefront, a richer catalogue of titles and, quite possibly, a more well-rounded hardware design across both the Steam Deck 2 and this alleged Steam Box.
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Esparadrapo
Banned
Valve won the moment Steam launched. Dunno what else they need to prove. There isn't a single PC that isn't a potential Steam customer. Besides a supposed Steam Machine refresh Valve is testing its client under ChromeOS and also developing the Proton equivalent for ARM.
Valve just needs to be there watching the enshitification of Windows.
Crayon
Member
Yeah look at steam that can't even play fortnite. doa.
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
This is also one of the reasons why the handheld space exploded when the Deck came out as opposed to the Switch's release. This type of model where hardware relies on an outside all-encompassing online ecosystem is far cheaper for companies to sustain than sustaining a seperate ecosystem for every new hardware product they release. Switch was an example of a success using the older model which is why nobody decided to bite- they were uncontested in that field. But when your game library is tied to PC or the PS/Xbox store instead of the handheld itself, it becomes a lot easier to justify making new hardware.
Valve came out with a handheld that hooks into the already existing Steam ecosystem and library- their approach and RELATIVE success with the model was what encouraged other companies to try their hand at the effort.
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Topher
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March Climber
Member
I agree with everything you're saying and I have also stated your points before. My rebuttal towards the other poster was more towards the idea of Steam Deck 'winning' something. That future is not something that will come anytime soon and it will take decades and mistakes from other parties for them to chip away at the console userbase, especially now that everyone is entrenched in their respective ecosystems.
Edit: Also they have to keep building on their SteamOS to make it better for console users. Yes, it is miles better than last year or last decade, but when a friend of mine tells me he traded in his Steam Deck for a Switch because it's simply easier to use, I realized they still have a ways to go for that one button download/plug-and-play/standardized controls on start feel that consoles offer. I like my Deck but I'm also into tech, customization, changing multiple settings on the back end, etc. Not everyone wants that level of freedom.
As long as 300+ million people keep buying consoles and have their library on consoles, they haven't won anything on the couch side of things. On PC? Sure, you can easily say that Valve has won with GoG and Epic being the two little step brothers who are saying 'we're still here' but that's not what I was talking about earlier.
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Esparadrapo
Banned
Capcom's PC sales beat all consoles combined. Guess where the vast majority of those sales took place.
March Climber
Member
You're too zoomed in trying to win a minor argument. Zoom out.
Also find a way to troll better or actually engage better in discussion. Not bumping the thread for this.
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Very interested to see if Valve can deliver a box that is price competitive with the 4K Twins. I wish they would use Intel as an alternative to AMD, nothing against them but it's nice to have processor diversity.
As interested if this means a return to video game developemt, this box will benefit from some exclusive software.
As interested if this means a return to video game developemt, this box will benefit from some exclusive software.
Esparadrapo
Banned
It's you who's fencing his couch to earn pity points.
demigod
Member
James Sawyer Ford
Member
As was posted in another thread, steam and console digital pricing is usually the same or similar these days. There is no advantage here. The prices are set by publishers
If you want to go with the lowest cost possible, a disc drive console beats them by a mile
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