Pegasus Actual
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Xbox One and Halo decline
Would have been better, but I think the best model would have been to be intentionally vague. Like Sony does it.Day one is a fucking stupid idea that ill never wrap my head around, id love to see the actual numbers.
Do 90 days exclusive to retail, like the movies model, that might have worked.
There’s no argument. This is the guy.This guy
Yeah I just pulled that figure out of my ass. Let say anything that does shit at retail could come fast, say 45 days (ok thats everything lol) Anything with a long tail later say 6 months. Just like the movies. But announce on a case by case basis AFTER you've sold what you can.Would have been better, but I think the best model would have been to be intentionally vague. Like Sony does it.
Even if it's Day 180 (confirmed), a lot of people would just wait. On the other hand, if their customers have no idea if they'd be getting their game on Game Pass day 1, day 365, or 3 years down the road, they are more likely to buy the game. Essentially what Sony has been doing with PS+ Catalog.
Not arguing that this guy wasn't a total plum but wasn't Kinect super successful on the 360?There’s no argument. This is the guy.
Microsoft, in spite of the red ring, had good competitive footing. Then the Kinect knee jerk Wii reaction and the launch of Xbox One completely destroyed it.
you don't fuck a brand by just making one mistake
so, all of the above
Xbox was synonymous with multiplayer games; that was their differentiator. but over time, multiplayer games became more popular, and they couldn't compete.Since the release of Kinect I feel the Xbox brand has been slipping further and further away from their core customer base, I also feel they've consistently tried to mimic and follow Sony at every corner instead of following their own path
In what way?Not arguing that this guy wasn't a total plum but wasn't Kinect super successful on the 360?
Packing it in with the One was the braindead move.
Nah, they even had good sales in the beginning.There’s no argument. This is the guy.
Microsoft, in spite of the red ring, had good competitive footing. Then the Kinect knee jerk Wii reaction and the launch of Xbox One completely destroyed it.
Microsoft reaches 10 million Xbox One shipments three months after the PS4
That's a rather kind way of saying poor leadership. It wasn't so much disconnected and more of poorly thought out strategies from people who had a very weird view of the market. Of the Poll options, the only correct answer is Gamepass. Many of the other poll options are a direct result of gamepass. Porting games to other platforms? Why did that happen? Because gamepass conditioned users not to buy games. Studio mismanagement/acquisition? Gamepass again due to the need for a steady stream of content for the service.Disconnected leadership
I don't know the answer to those questions. I just thought the Kinect was a roaring success during the 360 days. I dunno I never had one and wasn't paying much attention towards the back end of the 360's life.In what way?
Did it sell enough to be considered a success as an accessory? Sure.
What resources were diverted to it internally that caused a reduction in 1st party output later? Was it worth it? Did those Kinect customers turn out to be loyal or valuable in any way for the launch of the Xbox One? If there was success it simply cost too much and distracted them from the fundamentals. Nintendo had to learn the same lesson with Wii U I think.
Never brag about your haircut when you forgot to put on your pants.
Exactly this. They were actually still competitive for like 12-18 months after the Xbox One launch. Until Phil destroyed everything.Nah, they even had good sales in the beginning.
Microsoft reaches 10 million Xbox One shipments three months after the PS4
A Microsoft milestonewww.theverge.com
Everything fell apart when Phil took over and stopped making exclusives aside from Halo/Gears/Forza.
I had a Kinect with my 360. It was a lot of fun indeed. Pretty successful too as an accessory.I don't know the answer to those questions. I just thought the Kinect was a roaring success during the 360 days. I dunno I never had one and wasn't paying much attention towards the back end of the 360's life.
If they would have left it as just an accessory then maybe it wouldn't have hurt the xbox one as bad as it (apparently) did.
Yup. I said it earlier in the thread, Mattrick was bad but Phil is arguably a lot worse.Exactly this. They were actually still competitive for like 12-18 years after the Xbox One launch. Until Phil destroyed everything.
I have no idea how Phil concocted the narrative that the Xbox brand was tanking and he saved it from utter destruction. When, in fact, Xbox started declining at a faster pace after Phil became the head of Xbox. I think that successful narrative-building was and still is the biggest achievement of Phil Spencer.
People here tried to convince us that it was some 5D chess game he was playing with the FTC.Yeah, he said that in the exact same rant. That was his console war concession speech. Couple years prior he was bragging to Nadella in an email about how good Xbox looked compared to PS5. At some point, the reality hit him hard.
They are selling less cause they are focusing less on consoles. Maybe average GAF poster doesn’t know nitty gritty of what makes something successful at retail. Thats what makes it look like its declining.
Way too early in the morning for comedy of this calibre.Brand is strongest it has ever been.
They are selling less cause they are focusing less on consoles. Maybe average GAF poster doesn’t know nitty gritty of what makes something successful at retail. Thats what makes it look like its declining.
Xbox was synonymous with multiplayer games; that was their differentiator. but over time, multiplayer games became more popular, and they couldn't compete.
It's crazy that this year alone, PlayStation was able to capture the multiplayer zeitgeist (something that Xbox had back with Halo 2) with Helldivers 2 and achieve the Nintendo magic with Astro Bot.
showing again that it's all about great games and consistency.
There are still ashes left from this burn
Plus, failing to deliver on the software side and acquiring major publishers didn’t help.
Brand is strongest it has ever been.
They are selling less cause they are focusing less on consoles. Maybe average GAF poster doesn’t know nitty gritty of what makes something successful at retail. Thats what makes it look like its declining.
That’s basically a PC thenWho cares anymore? I just want the next Xbox to have my steam and my Xbox accounts on one box. Anything else is just you guys wanting to relive the moments Xbox games come to Xbox because nothing in Playstation is remotely interesting anyway but never want to admit that part.
Not arguing that this guy wasn't a total plum but wasn't Kinect super successful on the 360?
Packing it in with the One was the braindead move.
And yet Xbox 360 was the best selling Xbox console by far and is the most fondly remembered. I don't think RROD is even in the top 5 when we look att reasons as to why Xbox eventually failed in the so called console war.People underestimate the damage the RROD did for Xbox, a lot of people to this day refuse to invest in Xbox hardware over fears it will break down 18 months later.