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[Mibu no ookami]

Download speed isn't the problem, latency is. And I doubt we are going to figure out how to improve the speed of light anytime soon.

Let's look at a few factors

1. The vast majority of gamers don't need/care about console or PC like latency
2. There are a multitude of ways to reduce latency.
3. GeforceNow has already gotten pretty close to par on latency.

Pretty sure next gen gamepads will followsuit with Luna in having wifi capabilities which will further reduce latency. Will be very interesting to see if Sony does anything with the portal to reduce latency when/if they implement cloud gaming.

 

[Laptop1991]

I've just seen Mac's review from Worth a Buy of Ghosts of Tsushima, so i might, later in the year add to Sony's PC loot haul,, it looks really good, 1st Sony game i've actually wanted to buy and play, and you gotta say, it's working out for Sony, putting games on PC judging by the amount of money they are making.

 

[mckmas8808]

Pretty much. Sony makes a lot of high selling games but they would be very at risk in that theoretical future, without the 30% passive income from tons of 3rd party games. Their games take a long time to make and don't have tons of passive microtransactions and they already operate at lower than expected profit margins with their own closed ecosystem. Microsoft is positioned for that future already at this point with Call of Duty, Minecraft, Bethesda which already operated as a 3rd party for decades, and Gamepass and soon a PC store linking everything together on basically any device. Nintendo is their own thing, but they could sell their 1st party almost anywhere (TVs, PCs, phones), and it costs less to make, and they put out tons of it and they already live without most 3rd party sales except indies.


I think we have 1 more normal console generation from Sony and Nintendo. So if that hits in 2027 or 2028, give it 7 years after that. So 2034 all bets are off completely in my book. I personally wouldn't predict what things will look like in 10 years. Just going to wait and see.

I completely agree with the bolded. Anything more than 10 years out, makes it silly to predict things.

No, technology changes drastically faster than that. Look at the advancement of internet speeds since the 90s and early 2000s. We went from like 1.5mbps to a gigabit in like 15 years.

Look at smartphones and how they've revolutionized the world. The iPhone didn't hit the market until 2007. 3G followed shortly after with speeds of 2-14 mbps. Just a decade later we have 5G which has speeds of 10-20 gbps.

So yes, within the next 10 years the market share from streaming is going to be significant as technology continues to improve.

You aren't taking into account people's behavior and choice. Streaming will play a bigger role 10 years from now. But it will NEVER be the only way to play PS7 games. It just doesn't make business sense.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I completely agree with the bolded. Anything more than 10 years out, makes it silly to predict things.



You aren't taking into account people's behavior and choice. Streaming will play a bigger role 10 years from now. But it will NEVER be the only way to play PS7 games. It just doesn't make business sense.

I didn't say it would be the only way to play PS7 games, but every subsequent generation from when streaming hits mainstream, they'll lose 3rd party support. It's inevitable.

Positioning themselves where they don't actually need 3rd party support is the only guarantee they can have that they'll remain not only relevant in gaming, but the leader in it.

T2 gives them GTA, Red Dead, 2K Sports. This ensures your platform has a future.

 

[mckmas8808]

I didn't say it would be the only way to play PS7 games, but every subsequent generation from when streaming hits mainstream, they'll lose 3rd party support. It's inevitable.

Positioning themselves where they don't actually need 3rd party support is the only guarantee they can have that they'll remain not only relevant in gaming, but the leader in it.

T2 gives them GTA, Red Dead, 2K Sports. This ensures your platform has a future.

I think they'll lower the PS Store cut from 30% to 10%, before all 3rd parties leave and start up their own streaming spots. But I see what you are getting at.

 

[FoxMcChief]

That’s racist

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I think they'll lower the PS Store cut from 30% to 10%, before all 3rd parties leave and start up their own streaming spots. But I see what you are getting at.

Reducing to 10% will have the same impact, significantly reduced operating income and the absolute need to produce their own content.

 

[Oppoi]

Come on man! How far down the road do you think this really is? 2050?

Some hope the gaming industry tanks ASAP so that whatever company owns the most IP and studios are able to build their version of the perfect industry.

 

[proandrad]

Nintendo needs to jump on pc. Only way to truly combat piracy is by offering a better product. Native tears of the kingdom without messing with emulation would be a major hit.

 

[Punished Miku]

I think they'll lower the PS Store cut from 30% to 10%, before all 3rd parties leave and start up their own streaming spots. But I see what you are getting at.

Yeah, I think it'll be something like Steam, MS Store, GOG, Epic, PS Store, Take 2 Store (they already have a GTA sub), EA Store, Nintendo Store, Ubisoft Store, maybe that's it. And indies and smaller games will be on everything. Not sure what Japanese publishers will do, maybe take the 10% loss which is still 20% better than now. 9 apps on any device, similar to what we ended up with on TV streaming, but these can be downloaded also if you want on a PC.

Maybe someone will make a uniform mega store that just lists prices from all of these side by side. If consoles collapse, no one is going to let Steam have 30% of all sales for doing nothing.

 

[FoxMcChief]

My position on late pc ports is this, they should never be over $40. It’s not like the game needed to be built from the ground up again, like the story, voice acting, motion cap, etc. It’s a super reduced team modifying existing data that was already paid for by launching somewhere else first.

I’m actually surprised Steam users just accept late ports with high price tags.

 

[mckmas8808]

Some hope the gaming industry tanks ASAP so that whatever company owns the most IP and studios are able to build their version of the perfect industry.

Sad, but I think you're right. Many are hoping for the gaming industry to die for this very reason. And of course nobody can or will be able to build the "perfect" industry.

Yeah, I think it'll be something like Steam, MS Store, GOG, Epic, PS Store, Take 2 Store (they already have a GTA sub), EA Store, Nintendo Store, Ubisoft Store, maybe that's it. And indies and smaller games will be on everything. Not sure what Japanese publishers will do, maybe take the 10% loss which is still 20% better than now. 9 apps on any device, similar to what we ended up with on TV streaming, but these can be downloaded also if you want on a PC.

Maybe someone will make a uniform mega store that just lists prices from all of these side by side. If consoles collapse, no one is going to let Steam have 30% of all sales for doing nothing.

Your post is the real consoles never need to go away. Everything I bolded is disaster land.

 

[Punished Miku]

Sad, but I think you're right. Many are hoping for the gaming industry to die for this very reason. And of course nobody can or will be able to build the "perfect" industry.



Your post is the real consoles never need to go away. Everything I bolded is disaster land.

I dont really see the issue. People making games keep more of their money and everyone can play anything on anything.

 

[Oppoi]

Sad, but I think you're right. Many are hoping for the gaming industry to die for this very reason. And of course nobody can or will be able to build the "perfect" industry.

If you as me we've suffered through dystopian times ever since PC gaming suffered the loss of open standards.

 

[mckmas8808]

I dont really see the issue. People making games keep more of their money and everyone can play anything on anything.

The economy of video games doesn't work for the main players in this scenario. There are no incentives. I think some people underestimate just how much money is being made by the sheer fact that gamers are being a "brand's" controller, 1st party game, console, etc.

MS has weirdly lead many to believe profits aren't possible in the video game industry, thus the only answer is to be a 3rd party publisher and own alot of IP (even if you have to buy it from someone). This simply isn't true. Nintendo and Sony are doing mighty fine in today's current system. VERY VERY fine, mind you.

 

[Punished Miku]

The economy of video games doesn't work for the main players in this scenario. There are no incentives. I think some people underestimate just how much money is being made by the sheer fact that gamers are being a "brand's" controller, 1st party game, console, etc.

MS has weirdly lead many to believe profits aren't possible in the video game industry, thus the only answer is to be a 3rd party publisher and own alot of IP (even if you have to buy it from someone). This simply isn't true. Nintendo and Sony are doing mighty fine in today's current system. VERY VERY fine, mind you.

Sure, I hear you. Its just a guess. Its not MS thing completely. I fell out of the Sony ecosystem first this gen. Just me guessing which way the wind is blowing in terms of growth and younger audiences. Sony is always going to be around and their brand loyalty is insane. I just am saying they appear out of position and would potentially have a more painful adaptation period than the others in this theoretical future.

 

[Celcius]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

 

[OverHeat]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

Don’t think we will sadly

 

[HogIsland]

Did anyone actually believe that? How sad and deluded must these fanboys be lol.

It's wishful thinking for deranged minds

 

[HogIsland]

Returnal is great and deserved better.

That PC port needs some love. There's performance optimization that would make a huge difference. Plus basic shit like not saving graphics settings to the cloud.

 

[Jigsaah]

 

[ArtHands]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

Doubt so because it has VR component which makes porting harder, and Sony already have lots of Playstation games scheduled for PC next year.

 

[Ozriel]

Doubt so because it has VR component which makes porting harder, and Sony already have lots of Playstation games scheduled for PC next year.

Why would VR component make porting harder?

You’re not going to redo everything from scratch. Switch out from PSVR2 to SteamVR and disable the foveated rendering.

Heck, VR would even help to boost sales on PC.

 

[RoboFu]

Oh shit has sawyer posted yet? This plus the druckman thread I hope he is okay.

 

[ArtHands]

Why would VR component make porting harder?

You’re not going to redo everything from scratch. Switch out from PSVR2 to SteamVR and disable the foveated rendering.

Heck, VR would even help to boost sales on PC.

That’s the thing. It is an additional barrier and they have not done anything PCVR software before, and seems unlikely they will learn just to port this game.

Hope they prove me wrong, of course

 

[Mattyp]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

It’s the one game that needs a port more than any other but knowing how slow Poly are and how they code might be the only one we never get.

 

[mayham2199]

It’s the one game that needs a port more than any other but knowing how slow Poly are and how they code might be the only one we never get.

Agreed. I’m more surprised by the show not going to pc. Makes no sense now.

 

[Cobaiye]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

The problem with GT7 is that PD are really against outsourcing anything, and considering all the PC ports have been outsourced to other studios so far I don't see it happening.

 

[Holammer]

Now that we approach the end of 2024 and the beginning of 2025, do you guys think we'll finally get GT7 on PC next year?

I would kick it out of the door screaming ASAP because it's only a matter of time before the PS4 version works in ShadPS4 and get modded to kingdom come.
Not many games left either, Spiderman 2 releases in January and TLoU2 in April.

Demon's souls, GT7 & Astro Bot are left.

 

[Magic Carpet]

All 3 Astrobot games I’ll buy.
As well as All the PS3 Ratchet and Clanks.
Waiting for Uncharted 1-3 before buying 4.

 

[Ozriel]

That’s the thing. It is an additional barrier and they have not done anything PCVR software before, and seems unlikely they will learn just to port this game.

Hope they prove me wrong, of course

They’ve just enabled PSVR2 to work with PC, so technically they’re on the way to doing VR stuff with PC.
I know what you mean, though.

With Forza Motorsport shitting the bed and the other PC sims seemingly appealing to hardcore types, there’s a big market for GT to step into on PC.

Seems a no-brainer to me, but I guess Polyphony probably have their hands full.

 

[CoreyFlawless]

Helldivers2 for the most part