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[cireza]

Looks like a BC constrained device in any case. Even the joycons are exactly the same with the shitty non d-pad.

 

[Xdrive05]

You can probably look to stuff like the new Astro Bot game on PS5 to get a sense of what Switch 2 platformers could be like on a technical level, at least in the ball park. Imagine that running in handheld resolutions with DLSS and you're probably not far off. You're not gonna get that at 4k (did the PS5 even?), but 1080p-ish shouldn't be off the table.

Switch 2 should be able to handle ports of PS5/SX games better than Switch handled PS4 ports I'd imagine. The existence of the Series S this generation probably goes a long way to making that true.

 

[Windom Earle]

Would be weird to not see Nintendo shit on expectations somehow... But this is absolutely the right approach. Just make a Switch 2. Call it Switch 2. Achieve PS4 territory graphics and put DLSS on top. Then make good games. Auto win.

 

[hinch7]

Looks like Nintendo is learning the lesson and not trying to reinvent the wheel for once. May finally break the every other generational curse here.

That only applied to their home consoles. The Switch is a portable thats dockable. And their portables never fail.

 

[BlackTron]

Was referring more to the changes on the console itself such as expansion ports and GBA connectivity, but upon further inspection, a lot of those were planned for the N64 as well.

Looks like in both cases, Nintendo had a lot of ideas they weren't ready to fully commit to, so they kept them separate from the main unit. And ultimately didn't take advantage of them.

These days you don't really need ports anyway, you have wireless devices. Especially for a portable console. They could come up with a peripheral they haven't even thought of yet and the system is prepared for it. I'm sure the dock has USB 3 as well.

 

[DoomGyver]

i'll take one!

am i reading that correct? it has 12GB RAM?

 

[clarky]

Looks like Nintendo is learning the lesson and not trying to reinvent the wheel for once. May finally break the every other generational curse here.

What do you mean? They've arguably had a couple of misses, Wii U and GC but everything else has been a smash hit.

 

[Sethbacca]

That only applied to their home consoles. The Switch is a portable thats dockable. And their portables never fail

I mean, it's a hybrid console, so it's both a home console and a portable, but I take your point.

 

[Robb]

Looks like a BC constrained device in any case. Even the joycons are exactly the same with the shitty non d-pad.

They were never going to change that either way. Each JoyCon has to work as its own isolated controller, so there has to be a similar button layout on both, rather than a d-pad.

 

[GoldenEye98]

It's regular desktop Ampere, just shrunk to these levels. Performance measurements should be on line with a card similar in size, like the 2050 (Ampere based).

The 2050 has 2048 cuda cores, T239 has 1536 cuda cores...

So more like a downlocked 2050 in terms of performance

 

[Pejo]

I was hoping for the 2nd screen rumor to be true. This is just a higher spec Switch. So instead of 10 year old tech, we'll be getting 5 year old tech, whoopie.

 

[Davevil]

They were never going to change that either way. Each JoyCon has to work as its own isolated controller, so there has to be a similar button layout on both, rather than a d-pad.

no one asked to reiterate that joycon shit

 

[Zacfoldor]

12gb or ram? Damn, nice. Day 1 if backwards compatible. Never used Joycons personally. Either the pro controller or split pad pro for me. Can't wait to see what Nintendo can do with the higher specs.

 

[kunonabi]

Am I the only one bothered by the fact that Nintendo look to be releasing another bland looking tablet with joycons attached?

I appreciate that Nintendo are now coining it in, but I really miss the risk taking Ninty, I really do.

Nah, I'm with you. Even if they were going to phone it in again at the very least I wanted a goddamn dpad. Having to hook up a GC controller for most of my library blows.

 

[Robb]

no one asked to reiterate that joycon shit

Getting two fully functional controller out of the gate is fantastic. Add a Pro controller and we’ll be able to play three people in Mario Kart locally from day one.

I have kids though. But I genuinely think it’s a great feature.

 

[Kerotan]

Looks like a Super Nintendo Switch to me.

That would be a good name. Or switch 2 simply.

 

[Davevil]

Getting two fully functional controller out of the gate is fantastic. Add a Pro controller and we’ll be able to play three people in Mario Kart locally from day one.

I have kids though. But I genuinely think it’s a great feature.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

It all makes sense. The Switch has been such a huge success that I always thought they would just do an upgrade to the existing model.

Edit: Just saw the extra USB C port which is super nice actually.

Looks the same.

As far as the grips/comfort is concerned that's not a good thing.

Skull & Co to the rescue again.

Yep, looks like I'll be buying a Satisfye grip again.

 

[RAIDEN1]

Right now Nintendo are the only ones in the fight to give Sony a run for their money, the competition has flat lined....Microsoft going the way of Sega (minus the financial peril Sega found themselves in circa 2001/2002)

 

[Stafford]

Like PS4.2 and Xbox One.3 In term of GPU and PS5 and Series in term of CPU… A lot better than some people expected.

And with DLSS and everything? Or that remains to be seen?

 

[LordOcidax]

Switch 2 will probably outsell all of the Steam Deck + clones combined within the first 6 months. The fuck are you smoking? lol

First week

 

[RaZoR No1]

Like PS4.2 and Xbox One.3 In term of GPU and PS5 and Series in term of CPU… A lot better than some people expected.

What?
What CPU is in the SOC?

 

[TheMan]

So they’re taking the iterative approach instead of reinventing the wheel as has been their way for a few generations now. Kind of disappointing- although I don’t play a ton of Nintendo games anymore, I really appreciated the creativity they brought to the field instead of just making a faster box

 

[Woopah]

How is it that so many leaks are happening in such detail lately?

Likely because small scale production has started.

The biggest obstacle for this device is going to be Storage. Presumably games will be a mandatory install rather than running from physical otherwise the load times and data streaming will be horrendous. The
only way around this would be a much faster cartridge which would mean much higher production costs for physical games, don't see that happening. Third Party already hated using large cartridges on Switch.

256gb is not enough and current SD cards are too slow for next-gen games. We heard earlier this year that Samsung is working with an unnamed company to create a custom product, a fast SD card. Potentially this could be used for the Switch 2 and allow games to be installed to them but still have decent performance: https://news.samsung.com/global/sam...ce-ai?utm_source=nr_twitter&utm_medium=social

The problem is those SD cards are probably going to be expensive. We'll have to see what Nintendo has in store but it could be a problem for particularly 3rd party games. Install CoD and over half your storage is gone and only expensive new SD Express MicroSD can be used to install games to.

This is the problem Nintendo has to have solved and we'll see what their plan is. If it's expensive memory cards then yikes.

Could the File Decompression Engime solve this problem somewhat?

Remember when people thought it'd be a handheld PS5?

Who thought this?

 

[That Damn Kid]

Bored at work. I hope we get blue/red controllers again

 

[Zacfoldor]

So they’re taking the iterative approach instead of reinventing the wheel as has been their way for a few generations now. Kind of disappointing- although I don’t play a ton of Nintendo games anymore, I really appreciated the creativity they brought to the field instead of just making a faster box

While I agree in theory, in the practical sense this wasn't really the time for them to start creating imaginative shit from scratch. They invented a product that is currently being copied by Valve and every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a billion dollars. They needed the same machine but better, that was also BC so they could capitalize on the success of their hyper popular design. Looks like they have done just that.

 

[BlackTron]

For me, I doubt I’ll buy at launch as I’m just not as in ton Nintendo games as I used to be—though I am back playing Switch currently making another attempt to power through Tears of the Kingdom. I’m leaning toward just leaving consoles for PC gaming after this gen and if I do that I’d probably just get a Steam Deck or other PC handheld if I get a portable itch. But that’s not a 100% done decision for me and I could just end up with PS6 and a Switch 2 down the road perhaps.

PC + Nintendo is still best combo. If I already have a PC, the Nintendo is more complementary to it than an extra small PC.

 

[Sethbacca]

What do you mean? They've arguably had a couple of misses, Wii U and GC but everything else has been a smash hit.

They always seem to do something stupid like every other generation that negates the success of the previous one. They had the absolute smash of SNES but fucked over Sony with the CD addon thus funding their own primary competitor for the N64 generation in the PSX on top of the fact that they didn't go with optical media for the N64 which cost it FF7 and such. Gamecube, again, hampered by reduced media sizes and the kiddie styling sold less than the competition despite being a personal favorite of mine. Wii was obviously huge, but then they released the Wii U which was probably their biggest failure ever.

I mean, outside the Wii and Switch, their home consoles have largely been plop and fizzle since the SNES. Don't get me wrong, I love them all but as far as the mass market is concerned there's a lot of mehhh in there. Their handheld business though as mentioned above is a whole different creature, that's just success after success.

 

[lughnasadh123]

Nintendo approach ergonomics from the demands of the generally smaller Asian adult hand and the hands of Children, not Western adults.

I can't even imagine anyone with smaller hands thinking it feels good to hold especially something that's going to be even heavier.

 

[ResilientBanana]

They should have announced it prior to going to manufacturing. Surely it won’t kill the hype as this looks to be a fairly capable device with 3 times the CUDA cores the switch had.

 

[angelgs90]

Why do they hate ergonomics?

 

[Sethbacca]

I can't even imagine anyone with smaller hands thinking it feels good to hold especially something that's going to be even heavier.

I'd kill for some XL joycons .....

 

[LordOcidax]

Remember when people thought it'd be a handheld PS5?

That never happened

 

[RoadHazard]

Looks to safe and iterative, just a bigger faster switch. I think steam deck clones will snatch away nintendo market share since both platforms providing similar experience now

The people who are interested in a more powerful Switch and those who want a portable PC are two different groups (with some overlap of course).

 

[Banjo64]

Summary on Reddit from when these specs leaked via Famiboards:

• Handheld: Right above PS4* before DLSS
• Docked: Between PS4 Pro* & Xbox Series S* before DLSS with more modern hardware than the former
• RAM: Slower than PS5 & XSX|S in
  the speed department, but more capacity than XSS. Should have 10.5-11 GB
  of RAM available to games going by the Switch 1's RAM allotment for its
  OS.
• Storage: UFS 3.1's max speeds should be a hair under XSX|S (2.1 GB/s vs. 2.4 GB/s), still plenty fast even if not maxed out.Lines up with what Digital Foundry &
  NateDrake heard about decompression techniques & fast load times of
  the BotW tech demo (respectively for each source).

* = Not only is the Switch 2 ARM-based rather than x86 like the
systems compared, it's also Nvidia vs. AMD. There are plenty of factors
at play to where it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Plus the
native Tensor cores of the Switch 2 will allow for DLSS, letting the
system punch above its weight & decrease the size of the gap between
it & the XSS. Nintendo could throttle down the SoC to the floor,
but I'm not sure it'll be a doomsday scenario since this is a custom
chip to begin with

 

[Banjo64]

https://www.videogameschronicle.com...of-nintendos-new-switch-have-appeared-online/

While the images are unverified, one source, who has not seen the final ‘ Switch 2’ console but has been briefed on Nintendo's plans, told VGC that the Reddit images match what the company has told partners to expect from its design.

 

[dmaul1114]

PC + Nintendo is still best combo. If I already have a PC, the Nintendo is more complementary to it than an extra small PC.

I get that. I just haven't really enjoyed all that many Nintendo first party games the last couple of gens. So is be more apt to use a handheld to keep playing some less intensive game I was playing before traveling or to local stream to play outside on my deck when the weather's nice etc.

 

[GoldenEye98]

They always seem to do something stupid like every other generation that negates the success of the previous one. They had the absolute smash of SNES but fucked over Sony with the CD addon thus funding their own primary competitor for the N64 generation in the PSX on top of the fact that they didn't go with optical media for the N64 which cost it FF7 and such. Gamecube, again, hampered by reduced media sizes and the kiddie styling sold less than the competition despite being a personal favorite of mine. Wii was obviously huge, but then they released the Wii U which was probably their biggest failure ever.

I mean, outside the Wii and Switch, their home consoles have largely been plop and fizzle since the SNES. Don't get me wrong, I love them all but as far as the mass market is concerned there's a lot of mehhh in there. Their handheld business though as mentioned above is a whole different creature, that's just success after success.

SNES - 49M
N64 - 33M
Gamecube - 21M
Wii U - 13M

Wii and Switch successes were also leaning on new novelties imo(motion controls, hybrid device). Wii didn't have great software attach rates despite selling 100M+ units. It was basically a just the cheapest hardware of that generation/Wii Sports system for a lot casuals.

Switch probably has more going for it that Wii in that it is pulling in a lot of the pre-existing Nintendo handheld market but I still think there was a degree of novelty with a hybrid device that can't be replicated with Switch 2. I am confident that Switch 2 won't do Switch OG numbers.

 

[lughnasadh123]

I'd kill for some XL joycons .....

Haven't we learned by now that everything is better with curves?

 

[BlackTron]

I get that. I just haven't really enjoyed all that many Nintendo first party games the last couple of gens. So is be more apt to use a handheld to keep playing some less intensive game I was playing before traveling or to local stream to play outside on my deck when the weather's nice etc.

Yeah I get what you're saying. Anything can happen but I'm pretty sure that anyone with even a remote interest in Nintendo games are gonna feel like they need it unless they really screw this up, based on what they pulled off with the utterly underpowered Switch 1.

Looking at it, it definitely LOOKS like Switch Pro, the kinda thing you expect BOTW 3 in the same engine but running better, or Odyssey 2. I don't think we're getting that, they will probably deliver a paradigm leap in games. Guess we'll see!

 

[Elios83]

It all makes sense. The Switch has been such a huge success that I always thought they would just do an upgrade to the existing model.

A simple hardware upgrade to the same console does not have the innovation and impact required to expect it to sell over 100m units by itself though, especially when their target audience is not tech savvy.
It seems a compromise, they fear a flop betting everything on a complete new concept/gimmick, but they'll probably also give up on long lasting huge sales.

 

[MisterXDTV]

There’s now non binary ram. So 6gb x 2 128bit is possible and makes more sense

Actually if you go by NVIDIA classic configurations

I guess it's possible Nintendo chose to add 4 GB more Ram but cut the bus down to 96 bit from the original 128 bit

That would put the bandwidth to 90 GB/s

 

[Hrk69]

Can we laugh at the specs yay or nay?

Why? Because it doesn't have PS5 pro specs?

 

[Little Chicken]

I can see this thing being flooded with shitty ports for the first two years, unfortunately.

 

[Banjo64]

PC + Nintendo is still best combo. If I already have a PC, the Nintendo is more complementary to it than an extra small PC.

I have a Deck Oled and Switch Oled and it’s a dream.

Those few games Nintendo don’t have like Sekiro, GTA, RDR, Elden Ring, Halo, Forza etc - just covers so many bases.

 

[LordOcidax]

Can we laugh at the specs yay or nay?

Actually other than ergonomics for some people, Nintendo haters are having a hard time trying to spin out this specs as bad thing…

 

[DenchDeckard]

I have had such an awesome generation with my switch, i'm more than excited for this.

Sure, its not the most comfortable, and I dont know how I managed it but I never had stick drift with my Switches. Day one on this 100% I just wish it was OLED.

 

[hououinkyouma00]

I was hoping for the 2nd screen rumor to be true. This is just a higher spec Switch. So instead of 10 year old tech, we'll be getting 5 year old tech, whoopie.

Didn't we get rumors about wireless docking? As in the handheld can mirror to the display without being in the dock. That could explain the dual screen rumors because it would be just like how the WiiU did it.

They always seem to do something stupid like every other generation that negates the success of the previous one. They had the absolute smash of SNES but fucked over Sony with the CD addon thus funding their own primary competitor for the N64 generation in the PSX on top of the fact that they didn't go with optical media for the N64 which cost it FF7 and such. Gamecube, again, hampered by reduced media sizes and the kiddie styling sold less than the competition despite being a personal favorite of mine. Wii was obviously huge, but then they released the Wii U which was probably their biggest failure ever.

I mean, outside the Wii and Switch, their home consoles have largely been plop and fizzle since the SNES. Don't get me wrong, I love them all but as far as the mass market is concerned there's a lot of mehhh in there. Their handheld business though as mentioned above is a whole different creature, that's just success after success.

The story of the OG Playstation's creation will always make me laugh. They fuck over Sony and then get absolutely smashed. Then somehow get beat by a newcomer the generation after as well with Microsoft.

I think this route is best for Nintendo. The Wii was a great success but had terrible software attachment as it was basically a Wii Sports machine for most users. The Switch however has/had a good concept, relatively good hardware (I know it's underpowered but it's a slim device that's actually usable as a handheld for most people, quiet, and cool which are all things that matter for a handheld), and is a proven success. Nintendo would be stupid to not iterate on what is their only "true" success in like 20 years.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

 

[BlackTron]

I have a Deck Oled and Switch Oled and it’s a dream.

Those few games Nintendo don’t have like Sekiro, GTA, RDR, Elden Ring, Halo, Forza etc - just covers so many bases.

Yeah you're pretty much just missing timed exclusives and some odds and ends at that point. Switch is kinda bad in non-gaming features and PC lacks convenience so I added a $100 used 360 Mini Series S to the mix. Might be my last traditional console for an eternity.