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CG renders of Switch 2 factory prototypes and full specs have leaked on a Chinese website
BlackTron
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I agree handhelds/Switch 2 are even more samey, but I see N64 and GC as different like Xbox and Xbox 360. Yeah, different systems, lots of changes, but were ultimately just very iterative upgrades. GC did not attempt to do anything new or crazy, it simply played games better and got sequels. They did remove a handle from the controller, and change C buttons to a stick. If these are some of the most notable changes, well, nothing big has changed. Is that that much more huge than adding shoulder buttons to SNES? Wii, now there's a wildcard system.
Switch is likely to get a performance bump like N64 to GCN but a form/factor look bump that is like Game Boy Pocket to Color. In the end, it's probably a good thing, because 1 was already pretty much a matured, effective design wrapping everything that came before...
I agree Wii pointer should be in. More of a BC/legacy feature than upgrade though. Put it the fuck back in and re-re-re-re-re-re-rerelease RE4 dammit.
RodriGames40
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You'd be left waiting then, because the chip is custom this time. No off-the-shelf trash, there's also no way in hell that size equals an 8nm chip... It's thinner than the Ally for gods sake.
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RoadHazard
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If the screen is that much larger, surely the Joycon are larger than the current ones as well? They still cover the full sides of the thing. So they might be a bit more comfortable to use (especially in MP when you just use one Joycon each).
SegaSnatcher
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Ram Bandwidth 100GB/s?
MisterXDTV
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120 GB/s according to this leak as the bus is 128 bit
Frwrd
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On my translation I get "Realtek", makes sense I guess.
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cireza
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No because it implies making textures, and Nintendo hate putting textures in their games.
BlackTron
Member
I agree, docked it has potential to take shots at the ROG Ally, but again we gotta see how much of it Nintendo actually uses.
They won't need all of it if they have DLSS. People are going to lose their minds on what they show for a new Zelda game, and remakes of old ones like BOTW.
GoldenEye98
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um no?
BlackTron
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Given that this was a Wii U tech demo, gonna venture to say that the reason Nintendo didn't make this game has nothing to do with hardware power. Could have made it any time they wanted.
Burning Blade
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Can it run Crysis though?
Jeff Spicoli
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They are the same picture
Xdrive05
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Reminder for the naysayers comparing it to Steam Deck and Windows handhelds:
Switch 2 is bespoke, fixed hardware and software. No abstraction layer overhead bullshit to get Linux to run Windows games, etc. This thing will punch way above its weight. The original Switch was a bullshit off the shelf downclocked Tegra X1, and look what it achieved despite all that.
The next Switch will have a recent architecture with all the bells and whistles, AND the benefit of the targeted platform. Even if they downclock it all to hell, it's still going to be insanely capable. And I really hope they let the silicon breath with the clock speeds it's capable of.
Switch 2 is bespoke, fixed hardware and software. No abstraction layer overhead bullshit to get Linux to run Windows games, etc. This thing will punch way above its weight. The original Switch was a bullshit off the shelf downclocked Tegra X1, and look what it achieved despite all that.
The next Switch will have a recent architecture with all the bells and whistles, AND the benefit of the targeted platform. Even if they downclock it all to hell, it's still going to be insanely capable. And I really hope they let the silicon breath with the clock speeds it's capable of.
GoldenEye98
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They going to be conservative when it comes to battery life imo
Docked mode should be "decent" I suppose though
RodriGames40
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If designing the fastest and most forward thinking mobile device to date isn't competing in specs, I frankly don't know what it is. Not everything has to be a PS5 sized juggernaut.
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Mister Wolf
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Power only matters when you are trying to present yourself as being powerful. What Sony and Microsoft tries to do with their games. Nintendo gave up on that pursuit when they introduced the Wii. It's fans have acclimated.
BlackTron
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N is doing the same thing they always do, but they benefit more now. In the past using weaker hardware than the competition and making a profit on every unit meant a B&W game boy screen, or a Wii looking embarrassing next to PS360. Now, average people will begin to need the difference explained to them, because "much weaker" is still "good".
Robb
Gold Member
They should be bigger, yeah. Not sure by how much though. Putting the original Switch on top of the new one it doesn’t look like there’ll be a huge difference imo, but difficult to say..
Chronos24
Member
This guy gets it!! ^^^ I am happy there is HDMI 2.1 in meaning hopefully some current tech like VRR is implemented. Just hoping it's not completely obsolete out of the gate. Switch was at best just below OG Xbox One level at max. I would ideally love somewhere around PS4 pro level with more current graphical features but this IS Nintendo we're talking about. Keeping expectations very low.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Looks to be 7.5 to 8” screen. I think that’s an OG Switch comparison.
VolticArchangel
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Slightly more faster GPU than a PS4 Pro when docked (way more powerful CPU in Switch 2 though) and around the base PS4 in handheld mode.
StereoVsn
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They don’t have two lines of products to sell like before with handheld and console.
A misstep in their single product offering will be a lot more costly. So yeah, don’t see them doing anything crazy.
SegaSnatcher
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Over 4x the memory bandwidth is huge compared to what Devs had to work with on the current Switch's 25GB/s of bandwidth.
Mister Wolf
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I need to see Xenoblade 1 - 3 running on this. 60fps and DLSS upscale to 4K would be a dream.
MisterXDTV
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The DLSS will be limited by the fact that the chip is basically "entry level NVIDIA Ampere" (GA107 cut-down to 1536 cores)
They will do probably 540p to 1080p DLSS and it will look great in handheld mode
But the computational cost of going straight to 4K even in docked mode would be insane
They will do probably 540p to 1080p DLSS and it will look great in handheld mode
But the computational cost of going straight to 4K even in docked mode would be insane
Xdrive05
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This is a fairly safe bet, allowing that the Switch 2 is several generations newer tech than what was in the PS4/Pro. Raw power wise it should be right around there, but able to take advantage of the design improvements introduced since then. And hardware accelerated ray tracing and DLSS added to that stack.
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Dr.D00p
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TheDreadLord
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For god sake nintendo, just put a proper D-pad on that left joycon.
GoldenEye98
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ehhhh I dunno, PS4 Pro had raw perf of 4.2 Tflops....I don't think Switch 2 is matching that even in docked mode
Radical_3d
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BlackTron
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PS4 Pro and Series S don't have Nvidia upscaling which makes the direct comparison of specs almost meaningless.
If it had "the same" specs as Pro, that would mean it's way better because Pro doesn't have this feature that unlocks 4k "for free", having to crunch harder to do the same thing.
It's not just a list of specs, it's new tech. Having the latest tech is a massive deal.
dmaul1114
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Glad they’re playing it safe. No need, from a sales standpoint, to reinvent the wheel when the Switch was a huge success. PlayStation has stayed successful by just adding a new number each generation and changing little other than natural updates in technology (disc type changes, controller features etc.). The success of the DS and Wii seemed to make Nintendo think they needed a gimmick to sell huge, and Switch said they don’t. Handheld is their strength, getting ton one hybrid platform was the logical move.
For me, I doubt I’ll buy at launch as I’m just not as in ton Nintendo games as I used to be—though I am back playing Switch currently making another attempt to power through Tears of the Kingdom. I’m leaning toward just leaving consoles for PC gaming after this gen and if I do that I’d probably just get a Steam Deck or other PC handheld if I get a portable itch. But that’s not a 100% done decision for me and I could just end up with PS6 and a Switch 2 down the road perhaps.
For me, I doubt I’ll buy at launch as I’m just not as in ton Nintendo games as I used to be—though I am back playing Switch currently making another attempt to power through Tears of the Kingdom. I’m leaning toward just leaving consoles for PC gaming after this gen and if I do that I’d probably just get a Steam Deck or other PC handheld if I get a portable itch. But that’s not a 100% done decision for me and I could just end up with PS6 and a Switch 2 down the road perhaps.
Frwrd
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And their guesses match pretty much exactly the specs we got now.
LordOcidax
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Like PS4.2 and Xbox One.3 In term of GPU and PS5 and Series in term of CPU… A lot better than some people expected.
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Markio128
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Honestly, I have always been very fond of Nintendo, but I couldn’t be any less excited about the Switch 2. This could be their most uninspired transition to a new gen that I have witnessed in my lifetime. It appears essentially akin to upgrading your iPad. I hope I’m wrong though, and the Switch 2 has some kind of nice surprise up its sleeve.
7500 MT/s x 128 bit = 960,000 Mb/s
960,000 / 8 = 120,000 MB/s = 120 GB/s
MisterXDTV
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I didn't take into account the 12 GB,
But it would be a terrible upgrade with a 64 bit bus....