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[ChorizoPicozo]

Continuous and relentless. keep flying to Argentina where the sky is blue.

 

[near]

Adding more character creation features including pronouns is a non-issue for me. If it goes beyond that in terms of game design, that's when it becomes distasteful. Or in the instance of DQ3HD2D changing the original design to accommodate for it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Continuous and relentless. keep flying to Argentina where the sky is blue.

 

[BattleScar]

Gaslighting 101.

"There's too much tits and ass and male protagonists in video games, get rid of them"

"There's too much wokeness in video games, get rid of it"

What's the difference?
Two different groups of people who think they're both right, arguing about what coat of paint gets slapped on the same season-pass, day-1-patch, mtx-ridden, always-online trite.
You're allowed to vote with your wallets, as everyone else did and the game studios will cater to whomever makes them the most money. They don't care about you or your ideology, just money.

 

[Wandering Leopard]

Developers should have the freedom/choice to include whatever elements or themes they want in their art/project. But on the other side, consumers are free to buy it, or not buy it.

 

[DeepEnigma]

"There's too much tits and ass and male protagonists in video games, get rid of them"

"There's too much wokeness in video games, get rid of it"

What's the difference?
Two different groups of people who think they're both right, arguing about what coat of paint gets slapped on the same season-pass, day-1-patch, mtx-ridden, always-online trite.
You're allowed to vote with your wallets, as everyone else did and the game studios will cater to whomever makes them the most money. They don't care about you or your ideology, just money.

Pushback on mental illness and CULTural terraforming is not the same as the other side pushing their dogma.

 

[Bashtee]

Isn't fantasy all about FANTASY?

I don't care about LGBXAQETKDOSL stuff but aren't you supposed to create your own character like you want to?

Yeah, pretty much.

At the same time... a character with horns starts to talk about being non-binary and using similar terms found in modern English? Absolute immersion breaker. I would get it in a current-era or futuristic setting like cyberpunk, but not in a fantasy game, mainly themed around the middle ages. It doesn't fit. There are a thousand ways to include non-binary genders, and yet you have examples like DA: Veilguard. Whoever came up with the dialogs should work in a slaughterhouse.

An architectural firm I'm currently working with on a project has all their employees have their fucking pronouns on their email signatures and it never ceases to amuse me that they are all He/Him and She/Her... Oh fuck off with your virtua signalling shite

Anecdotal, but after writing and talking to people around the globe in a business setting, I prefer they display their pronouns. That way, I don't have to guess about their gender and all that. It makes the whole conversation easier.

 

[BattleScar]

Pushback on mental illness and CULTural terraforming is not the same as the other side pushing their dogma.

I'm sure they feel the same about you. You think you're right, and want to push your agenda. They think they're right and want to push theirs. Which is why you're no different.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm sure they feel the same about you. You think you're right, and want to push your agenda. They think they're right and want to push theirs. Which is why you're no different.

Ok.

 

[RedC]

"There's too much tits and ass and male protagonists in video games, get rid of them"

"There's too much wokeness in video games, get rid of it"

What's the difference?
Two different groups of people who think they're both right, arguing about what coat of paint gets slapped on the same season-pass, day-1-patch, mtx-ridden, always-online trite.
You're allowed to vote with your wallets, as everyone else did and the game studios will cater to whomever makes them the most money. They don't care about you or your ideology, just money.

 

[ergem]

Choosing a pronoun even if it’s just the normal he or she is a symbol of fealty to the woke mind virus and a statement of acceptance of transgender agenda and a rejection of biological binary truth.

So yes it’s not petty. If you want to weed off and kill the woke virus, this pronoun nonsense should be rightly called out and rejected.

 

[RedC]

I am all for artistic expression, whether I like or dislike it, agree or disagree with it.

It's always amusing how people will claim the same thing until a piece of art (media) is released that has expressions they dislike and/or disagree with.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Musk is in charge of eliminating Government waste. How much does it cost the Gov. to enforce?

 

[killatopak]

I don’t think pronouns were a thing in PoE before Avowed. Either they have to explain in lore how this became prevalent or this is just another western trendy thing.

 

[Da1337Vinci]

I mean it already kinda looking generic but these stuffs in addition are just for me really immersion breaking and it might no even be preachy or forced but my pattern recognition says nah i'm good.

 

[adamsapple]

"There's too much tits and ass and male protagonists in video games, get rid of them"

"There's too much wokeness in video games, get rid of it"

What's the difference?
Two different groups of people who think they're both right, arguing about what coat of paint gets slapped on the same season-pass, day-1-patch, mtx-ridden, always-online trite.
You're allowed to vote with your wallets, as everyone else did and the game studios will cater to whomever makes them the most money. They don't care about you or your ideology, just money.

The outrage machine takes no sides.

 

[Freeman76]

He's a good lad. I dont buy anything with that shit in it either

 

[near]

"There's too much tits and ass and male protagonists in video games, get rid of them"

"There's too much wokeness in video games, get rid of it"

What's the difference?
Two different groups of people who think they're both right, arguing about what coat of paint gets slapped on the same season-pass, day-1-patch, mtx-ridden, always-online trite.
You're allowed to vote with your wallets, as everyone else did and the game studios will cater to whomever makes them the most money. They don't care about you or your ideology, just money.

This is a narrow way of looking at it. One vocal group is actively trying to influence design decisions, while the other wants it to remain organic, as was. And you’re completely wrong on the idea that studios don’t care about ideologies when certain studios are actively propagating for a specific set.

 

[ShadowNate]

Pronouns are fine. Helpful even in situations. Set it on character creation, have the game dialogue respect it, let others in a multiplayer know what you're going for, if it's not already obvious.

I wouldn't set mine to they/them unless I'd like to see how stupid the dialogue gets to accommodate it, especially in a localized version of the game for languages that get incomprehensible with this "progressive" grammar nonsense.

Now, if the game get preachy with gender ideology stuff and the rest of the purple insanity package, it can fuck right off.

 

[Hollowpoint5557]

If that's all it takes, then fine. Just know, that it makes you no different to the people you complain about.

Except I am different to them. I'm not bucking the social norm. I'm not asking for anything other than what has been.

 

[GHG]

I'm sure they feel the same about you. You think you're right, and want to push your agenda. They think they're right and want to push theirs. Which is why you're no different.

And what agenda do you think is being pushed in that regard? Can you quantify it?

 

[shamoomoo]

Unacceptable? Nahh. There are games where it makes sense. But I find the inclusion of pronouns or other progressive/political elements in many games inappropriate. These elements don't seem widely celebrated or requested either, so it's odd there's such a push for them in mainstream games. I think devs should listen to their customers more, especially in pre-established IP.

Everything is political,the reason for including or excluding people, ideas/concepts or whatever may not be done for nefarious or conspiratorial purposes but people don't create shit for the sake of creation.

 

[Esppiral]

First time I agree with him.

 

[Hohenheim]

After Outer Worlds, absolutely not. Have you seen the game director for Avowed?

Was something wrong with Outer Worlds? Damn, I loved that game. Does that mean i'm part of the woke mind virus? I sure hope not. I'ts all getting very confusing.

 

[RedC]

And what agenda do you think is being pushed in that regard? Can you quantify it?

likely status quo, traditionalist, conservative, heteronormative, etc...

 

[Kabelly]

What a snowflake

 

[SkylineRKR]

Its about the underlining message. That shit is being pushed in there with a goal. I mean it makes zero sense if you can choose between a male and female and then change this to Type A and Type B. Everyone knows you choose between a boy or a girl. The wording changes for "reasons". And not because they stand behind these beliefs, but because they don't want backlash from this vocal crowd. This is not good.

 

[Radical_3d]

“The bard approaches you with some info: ‘It seems that … is a servant of the high priestess. … could allow us to enter while … is doing the rite. That should give us enough time to rescue Trevor and release … into the docks.’ You respond: ‘WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?’”

Idk, I think I still prefer my games with pronouns.

 

[PandaOk]

Pushback on mental illness and CULTural terraforming is not the same as the other side pushing their dogma.

 

[Cakeboxer]

 

[ToneyJ]

Dont like Elon Musk but also don’t like all the forced fake progressive bullshit AAA game studios put in their games.
Sooo…. Let them fight ; )

 

[dotnotbot]

"Everything's proceeding as planned, my master."

 

[Hot5pur]

Elon is a nobody when it comes to the gaming industry, how was this thread worthy? Reported for trying to poison our community with politics.

 

[adamsapple]

likely status quo, traditionalist, conservative, heteronormative, etc...

I think you mixed the quotes, I didn't say that

 

[Buggy Loop]

Haven’t seen anything in Avowed remotely close to Dragon age veilguard.

If it shoved LGBTQ propaganda in a fantasy setting then we can have a discussion. Throwing an RPG under the bus for role playing options.. not sure about that one.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Throwing an RPG under the bus for role playing options..

Ironic.

 

[shamoomoo]

Violence is not normalized, at least in a beneficial, societal, acceptable way. Pronouns, being trans, etc, all shit that can benefit you in the right circle, encouraged by our teachers, the press, and the western world overall.

That isn't entirely true, there's combat sports or any sports that tries to impose some level of force instead of pure skills. And depending on the country,the criminal justice systems can normalize violence like the killing of non-violent drug offense or rich people having the ability to use their money to avoid appropriate punishment.

 

[RedC]

I think you mixed the quotes, I didn't say that

 

[shamoomoo]

I like Elon Musk but I don't know if having pronouns is going to full out kill a western game. It's to be expected nowadays and I expect in any Western game that has a character creator because it's just a sad fact now and it's not going away.

I probably more miffed if it appear in a Japanese game though.

Why? All country have LGBTQIA+ people and their status is only a problem to the degree the society makes an issue.

 

[Bry0]

Developers have every right to put stuff in their game like this if they want.

We also have the right to not buy it.

 

[Kdad]

Developers have every right to put stuff in their game like this if they want.

We also have the right to not buy it.

Remember, Elon is the schmuk that thinks he can use the legal system to force companies to advertise on shitter. Dude is not right in the head.

 

[NeoGiffer]

 

[SF Kosmo]

You should never, ever give a fuck what Elon Musk thinks about anything.

 

[VulcanRaven]

'Baldur and Spider-Man 2 are woke and people are fine with.'

'Concord failing have nothing to do with woke.'


You guys need to pick your poison and stick with.

People who are woke didn't buy Concord either. It just didn't interest people.

 

[BennyBlanco]

 

[MarkMe2525]

It seem like a contradictory statement to assert that someone's choice of expression is "killing art". I would agree that it could make it less palatable to some, but this is true for all choices in products and art. Feels like a catch 22. Removing a characteristic to make it more palatable, would feel more like "killing art". On the opposite end of that, adding characteristics due to market research also feels like "killing art".

Personally, I am of the belief that studios can make whatever game they want, and people have the choice to purchase it or not. Not everything is made for everyone. Someone else's creation doesn't have to conform to other individuals values/expectations.

 

[TintoConCasera]

Throwing an RPG under the bus for role playing options.. not sure about that one.

I can think of better role-playing options than having gender pronouns instead of the usual male/female thing.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Why? All country have LGBTQIA+ people and their status is only a problem to the degree the society makes an issue.

First off, I have a trans woman as a roommate so you don't need to tell me about lgbtq. Second off you're completely missing the point.

 

[Buggy Loop]

I can think of better role-playing options than having gender pronouns instead of the usual male/female thing.

Is it a huge thing to code though? Big resources? A he/him tag in a character sheet is one thing, betting all on LGBTQ dialogues and story scripts like Dragon Age Veilguard is completely something else.

Was BG3 crap also?

Like I would be the first to be disappointed if the dialogues go for Dragon age veilguard wokism. I really hope not. But Nothing seen in Avowed hints to this, except pronouns in a character sheet.

As adamsapple pointed out

I don't recall anyone getting triggered by that in the BG3 thread? The bear scene triggered a lot of peoples though.

 

[Kacho]

Was something wrong with Outer Worlds? Damn, I loved that game. Does that mean i'm part of the woke mind virus? I sure hope not. I'ts all getting very confusing.

In addition to being an extremely average game, it had insufferable writing and characters. This has all been very well documented. Sounds like you have questionable taste.