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wvnative
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Wait till june or july, if nothing has come or been announced yet, then just play it on PS4
EverythingsOverrated
Member
Yeah, they look like flying mummified foreskin. They're trying way too hard to be unique. No one asked for a psuedo sequel to FF7, especially one that was disguised and marketed as a remake
Several months after finishing the game, I really enjoyed parts of it, but it's still my most disappointing game of the year.
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Ixion
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Hard disagree. FF7 is a very spiritual game and also a dark game. Therefore, I find black cloaked spirits to not be out of place.
And personally, I’m even more fine with them on my second playthough now that I know what their purpose is and how they tie into Sephiroth’s actions. They might just come off as annoying to people on the first play through, but once you know what the deal is, it makes them more interesting and fitting on a second playthrough.
The Director, Writer, and Character Designer of the original game are all on the remake. Those are the most important roles. Sakaguchi is the only high level one missing, but FF7 was also the second FF he didn’t direct himself.
As for Nobuo, his classic soundtrack is there and beautifully re-done by Square’s best current composer. So his work is still there basically, and he did contribute a new song to the remake, which was the worst song in the game (the lame ass credits song). All in all, the FF7R soundtrack is in the Top 10 best rated albums of the year on RateYourMusic, which isn’t an easy feat. Definitely not a weak point of the game.
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SlimeGooGoo
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EverythingsOverrated
Member
I think a lot of the orchestral tracks were very good, but some tracks should've been given a more synthy vibe.
Unfortunately, they went a little too EDM on one of my favorite songs from the original. I was so disappointed when this song
Got turned into this for the remake
God awful. Overall I do think the remake soundtrack was pretty damn good.
SlimeGooGoo
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PPIMystaceus
Member
Like many tracks in the Remake, Oppressed People recieved multiple iterations. This one is closer to the original.
TheAssist
Member
I find it so terribly funny when people try to make a point how a song is good or bad. I think music is one of the most subjective things you can argue about.
Stuff we here in the west might perceive as ear piercing might be a total jam to another people.
But let me tell you something really crazy: Iike both the original and the remakes music :O. Different vibes for different games. Something I feel for the two games in general. They are both very different and both stand on their own merits, each having its own highs and lows. But both are among the very best JRPG's and games in general I had the pleasure of playing.
So how does the door to Tifa's room look like on the PS5?
PPIMystaceus
Member
It looks the same. That recent patch doesn't appear to have been for PS5 compatibility. Same pop in, same texture issues, loading time increase isn't any better than unpatched BC games, and it's still capped at 30fps. Hopefully we get some kind of update by the anniversary (I'd also like a patch to fix the frame pacing in FF15's high res mode, and unlock the framerate, but that's unlikely at this point).
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
That remix is awesome and the battle theme is great. The original song is also still in the game too.
Kumomeme
Member
Uematsu actively involved for arrangement/compose of original music in the game while new soundtrack is being handled by hamauzu and the rest. so yes he is involved. you can see from the sountrack's composer list.
sakaguchi is the producer. the main director kitase that assume the producer roles for the remake. toriyama, nomura, nojima involved in original and this time they are return for the remake. with toriyama from event planner to assistant director in viir while nomura assume the director role instead.
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SlimeGooGoo
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Kumomeme
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no. they actually fully involved with the project. there tons of interview and documentary video released before.nomura and nojima surely will involved with kingdom heart franchise, but these guy already used to work with multiple project at once while toriyama and kitase probably only focused with viir remake. there is no sign of ffx-3 project kick off yet for example. kitase now assume producer roles. sakaguchi not involved anymore. these guy should be didnt have any hand on of other project. xvi for example being handled by cbu3 division. yoshida has his own team. xv team currently make project athia i dont think these guy involved.
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SlimeGooGoo
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Kumomeme
Member
i see. sorry for being misunderstood
sakaguchi not involved anymore for sure but uematsu is bit different. he often involved with ff14 for example, contributing track or song except for shadowbringers where he didnt involved due to his health. for vii remake, based from composer list of of the soundtrack indicated that he has capacity of involvement. if you play the game, and comparing the contributing artist list/ composer/arranger list from the album, we can clearly identify which part of the ost that certain composer is involved. new soundtrack that not existed in original is handled by hamauzu and the rest while the other original part, uematsu should be involved in some capacity .there is stark contrast of various composer style in the game. atleast that how it sounds to me.
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sid2vicious
Banned
Taste is subjective, yet you keep shitting on something not made for you. So I hope you don't mind if I shit on DQXI a bit do you? How the fuck did your God Yuji Horii not include Koichi Sugiyama orchestral music in the original release? It took the "Switch" version to release the orchestral music and call it the "definitive edition", and then rerelease on current platforms with the "Switch" assets, essential giving people a downgraded version, how da fuck do you fuck up so bad? Yet you keep nitpicking and shitting on FF7 Remake, a great game btw, with talented creators not just old retired ones, but your too blind to see serious fuckups on your precious IP. There's a word I call people like you, hypocrite.
MrMephistoX
Gold Member
It looks better to me and the load times are amazing.
SlimeGooGoo
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Imru’ al-Qays
Member
The time jannies are bad, but I think what they did with Sephiroth was somehow even worse. Overall the remake is miserably bowdlerized.
sid2vicious
Banned
Yet Yuji Horii is in charge of DQXI, is he not? That doesn't excuse him for using Switch assets for PS4, Xbox, PC re-releases.... Oops!
Ixion
Member
Its basically just the lack of blood that dings the game a bit for a couple scenes, which is a negative I agree with, but that’s really about it. The constant cursing, brothels, skimpy characters, etc, are all still there. All in all, this was the edgiest Final Fantasy since the original FF7 probably (although it looks like FF16 will top it).
And I like most of Sephiroth’s appearances in this game, with maybe one or two of them feeling unnecessary. He shares the main villain spotlight with Shinra in this game and the dude still has his moments:
DonJorginho
Banned
One of the best games of the last generation.
the_master
Member
This is such a long time to wait!
One would think yhat Sony could entice them to get a next gen patch just with 60fps, texture fix and skybox recaptures.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
Sephiroth in the original had a ton of buildup - you didn't even see him on screen until after the party left Midgar. You heard the other characters refer to him in hushed tones and you saw his handiwork in the Shinra building and that was more or less it.
In remake they have him babbling Kingdom Hearts-level nonsense in a vision within 45 minutes of game start and it's all downhill from there.
Fundamentally Squenix's greed and stupidity have killed the remake. They shouldn't have changed the main story at all, since it's obvious that Nomura and Kitase can't write for shit without Sakaguchi looking over their shoulders. And the game should have been split in two, rather than three (or four?), with the first installment ending at Aerith's death.
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borborygmus
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He's also making a sinister face 24/7 and talks like a Disney villain. He's just a caricature at this point.
Midgar is sunnier than Costa Del Sol but they didn't even rework the script and they have you shut off the artificial lights anyway and talk about "living in the darkness."
Cloud tries to murder his neighbor because he groans at night. Tifa comes in and screams wHaT aRe YoU dOiNg To MaRcO. Do you rike it?
Every time a male character saves a female character, she pays it back within 5 minutes so everything is equal between the genders. Thanks, Squenix ethics department.
The battle system is a mix between that floaty, unresponsive BioWare crap that was never done well after KoTOR and FF13's extremely tedious stagger system. You slash things with giant swords and only do chip damage for 10 minutes. Your attacks don't interrupt enemies, but enemies' normal attacks interrupt you constantly. Enemies spam shit like grenades or just fly away and make the camera go haywire and you can't do anything until they come back in range. Attacks rubber band inconsistently. Some of them have limited range, while others hit you from afar even if the animation doesn't connect.
The AI companions are a liability when left to their own devices and actually get debuffed while you're not controlling them, so you're obligated to keep switching to prevent them from dying.
The traversal is mostly squeezing through debris and spending 10 minutes staggering trash mobs each time some rats or whatever block your path. The "squeezing through" animation is used like 100 times but they couldn't make it so Cloud doesn't touch the air with his hand as if there's a wall there.
"Roche" is one of the worst character designs I've ever seen.
The sidequests are absolutely pathetic.
The soundtrack is an elevator music version of the original with the melodies mostly removed. Nobody wants to hear a 60s harpsichord or whatever version of the victory fanfare on a jukebox. Hamauzu is a robot.
The NPCs don't have the same style as the named characters and look like they were taken from a generic Ubisoft game.
The story changes are absolutely egregious, with the most cliché shit imaginable, time travel, getting shoehorned in and affecting everything that this was supposed to be a remake of. "We meant FF7 Remake as in we travel back in time and do everything over." It's all so very clever. They explicitly marketed this game as a completely faithful remake and even the demo was designed to give that impression, which is straight up false advertising.
They really went full retard with this game.
FF7R is a 4/10 for me. It does almost everything wrong. It does not respect the original, but also completely fumbles with its new additions, leaving nothing appealing. They couldn't even get the whole thing done in 11 years so the dumpster fire is coming out in multiple parts. Every time I hear some soy-smile gamer goon parrot "omg what a great remake, makes me feel like a kid again" a part of me dies because this thing is just an egregious failure on every level and I question how any part of this trash fire could remind anyone of a good game. I bet if this abomination didn't have the FF7 name on it it'd be panned.
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OrionNebula
Member
Wrong. Horribly wrong
To be more precise :
Hollow = shit
Hollow Skies = delectable
This is non-negotiable
wvnative
Member
Yeah I wish we'd get a soft free patch now and a more substantial upgrade later but oh well.
Ixion
Member
I know how the original worked, which was great, but part of what I like about this version of Sephiroth is that he is clearly handled differently from the start. The player, if you're familiar with the original game, will know something is off. Why does Sephiroth pop up here and there fucking with Cloud's head when he isn't supposed to show up until after Midgar? What are these black spirits doing here and why is Sephiroth able to easily repel them? And ultimately we learn the twist that this is actually the original Sephiroth bleeding over into a separate timeline that he's now trying to control, with the spirits being a counter-acting force. And that adds an even greater layer of power and illustriousness to his character, since he's not being remade like everyone else. He doesn't give a fuck about your little remake. It's the same Sephiroth and he's after you here too.
Hollow is the only new song he contributed. So yeah, his only new song was shit (granted, it gets pretty good towards the end).
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I guess you don't know the story behind FF7's plot, what it originally was about, and how it was written.
DryPancakes
Banned
You say that as if that's good or interesting. He can now bend time and space for no reason at all other than the writers felt like it, peak stroytelling right there.
Imru’ al-Qays
Member
The proof of the pudding is in the eating, and FF hasn't had a good story since Sakaguchi's ouster (save for the ~45% of FFXII that Matsuno wrote).
Yeah, it's basically fanfic.
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Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
No, it's literally the opposite of that. You may not like it, but it's not "fanfic".
Ixion
Member
These are the original writers. They felt like creating the original FF7 and now they felt like continuing it's story.
And it's inaccurate to say he can completely bend time and space to his will. He simply triggered some kind of timeline divergence (which could have been by accident), and from there he's trying to take advantage of it, but he also had to deal with the whispers being a counter-acting force. And simply put, it's Sephiroth. He's a powerful alien being who will stop at nothing to merge with the planet. I think it's fitting that his mission can't be contained to the original timeline and now reality itself is bending. I also think it was clever how he basically used the natual purpose of the whispers to seemingly have them eliminated at the end of the game. The whispers didn't want Cloud to fight Sephiroth so early, so with Sephiroth moving to fight them at the end of the remake, that caused the ultimate Whisper Harbinger to come out and subsequently be defeated, which gave Sephiroth more power.
Also, time travel can be an iffy plot device, no doubt. But it can work as well. It basically depends on how controlled it is. The common theory is that there are only a set number of timelines (three if you include the Zack one). As long as it's not a case of infinite realities, then the world still has meaning, limitation, and consequence. Of course we don't know 100% how everything is working, but that's obviously part of the mystery leading into the next game.
Yeah, this comes down to whether you think anything without Sakaguchi is illegitimate. As mentioned, the remake has the original Director, Writer, and Character Designer (who also did some important writing) on the remake. These aren't "fans". These are the same people who wrote and helmed the original masterpiece that was FF7. And they've chosen to continue the story they originally created.
GymWolf
Gold Member
They raped the original game plot, if you care about the original game never play this shit, because it's gonna hurt bad...
Edit: ugh too late.
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Kev Kev
Member
Yep. And I think the whole argument comes down to whether or not you’re okay with this...
Seph being able to time/dimension travel, imho, is really fucking stupid. It’s not a cool plot device.
On the flip side, you have everyone else who is okay with that. And that’s fine!!!
The undeniable fact, however, is that myself and NEARLY every fucking ffvii fan on the planet begged them to just make a remake and don’t change or add anything to the story...
and what did they do? Lol see what I’m saying!?
so to those who like the changes/additions/reimagining/“it’s a sequel now”/whatever you want to call it now despite the fact it says “remake” on the box... that’s ok that you like it! That’s great!
But it blows my fucking mind that you can’t understand why the rest of us are upset that they did that. I get that you want to defend the game, but it just seems like there is no argument there bc square did the ONE FUCKING THING that we asked them not to do, which was change the story or make additions or turn it into a sequel or whatever you want to call now lol
I just don’t see where your defense is in that point. And that is really at the core of our side’s complaint. They should not have changed or added anything, and now that they have we are pissed, and I feel like the logic is completely sound and you just have to concede that that complaint is completely valid.
yet you don’t? Why, I just don’t get it...
Ixion
Member
Nearly every FF7 fan? FF7R landed in the Elite 8 for the recent NeoGAF game of the generation contest, losing only to the eventual contest winner. I'd hazard a guess many of those people are fans of the original FF7.
It blows your mind that people have different viewpoints than you? Of course I understand the argument against changes, but when people drive by and say "No don't play this game at all! Nomura hurt me!", then yeah I'm going to present the case against that.
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Kev Kev
Member
thats bc its still a good game! no argument there so i dont know what youre going on about.
there is no argument, however, that everyone asked them to NOT change the story. that is undeniable that we all asked that for nearly 20 years. and they just couldnt help themselves. the game still being really good and doing well in voting contests has nothing do with that.
i didnt say different viewpoints! i literally thats "that's fine" and "that's great!" read those parst again. its cool if you like the changes/additons, no problem i get it!
and come on man with that last part man! dont be fucking childish. i didnt say any of that and youre coming off as trolly now. talk like an adult, no one is saying what you just said.
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Ixion
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You're not making any sense. You're saying it's fine to like the changes, but that at the same time we need to recognize it's fine to not like the changes? OK? This is a debate of different viewpoints.
And I was referring to Gymwolf's post right above yours, where he said the remake was an act of rape and that it hurt him.
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Kev Kev
Member
ill put it a simple as possible...
if you like the changes: great!
if you dont like the changes: great!
however...
almost everyone asked them to not touch the story, and they did: not great!
the game is still good, but it would have been soooo much better had they not changed/added to the story. and i dont understand why you cant just say "oh ok, i see what youre saying. sucks to be you!" and move on. instead you defend them for doing the one thing that we all asked them not to do. and i do not understand that.
does that make sense?
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
I'm fine with the story changes. I was never opposed to them making changes either. So don't go saying "we all" please and thank you.
#Phonepunk#
Banned
You are projecting your own expectations on tens of millions of people.
I got the game when it came out on PC in the 90s and not once in my decades of waiting did I expect a remake to be a 1:1 copy with nothing changed. I’m sorry but not a single work of art I have every seen that was remade had nothing changed. That’s not how art works.
It’s an unreasonable and frankly childish demand to have tbh
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Rean no Kiseki
Banned
Eh take comfort in the fact that the Remake was a success and no amount of outcry is going to change that, and secondly no game is 100% or even 75% loved by all who play it even the original back in 97 was met with naysayers.
As I've stated before in this thread the original is on every device known to man in 2020 purists can go play it if the want in its unchanged state.
P. S they won't cause it's a lot more fun to shit on poeple's fun and this IS the Internet where your favorite something is the worst thing evaaaah!
DryPancakes
Banned
I'm very reluctant to accept any of that as insteresting and even part of the canon since that none of that was even hinted at possible before, the most esoteric thing 7 had that I can think of is the idea that some people can navigate the lifestream after death, but now we have timelines and fate ghosts and time travel, my problem are not the changes, but that the changes seem too extreme and incoherent with the universe we already know, it's fine if we have time travel in 8 since it's a brand new universe with specific rules, but introducing that element now to 7 starts diluting this universe with new gimmicks, remember when Hojo uploaded his brain to the internet? it's canon now, it's mysterious and surprising, that doesn't mean I have to like it.
Besides I really don't trust SE introducing new elements to stablished stroies, especially time travel:
XIII-2: New time travel story out of nowhere (I don't care much for that universe but it's such a drastic departure it's almost unrecognizable as the same game, LR even more so)
3rd Birthday: Main plot is time travel now for some reason, we all know how that turned out.
KH3: More time travel and timeline shenanigans, this game was already crazy so who cares, but Nomura got bad habits from it.
XV: Even in the same game we are introduced to a very late time travel plot device to fix a gameplay problem, the writers really coulnd't think of a best solution, so hey, time travel, why not.
Time travel and timelines have always been a cheap writing gimmick, unles the story is designed from the begining to work with those elements, it's a lazy excuse to keep padding and "fixing"stories.
I would argue one more timeline already removed all menaing and consequence for the original timeline, which is the one we care about, they basically abandoned the orginal game, the one we like, to hop into a brand new one, kind of insulting if you ask me.
Fbh
Member
Nice to see this still active.
I have to say, now that some months have passed and the initial hype is over, I really enjoyed most of the game and so far It's still my GOTY. It's definitely flawed with the hyper linear levels, constant forced walking, meh sidequests and inconsistent visuals. But I still enjoyed revisiting the world, the visuals are still mostly great, I absolutely loved the combat system (in that regard 7Remake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original) and it has some of the coolest boss battles in any JRPG I've played.
As for the story changed and additions. Some of them I liked, like expanding Jessie and friends a bit. A also didn't mind some of the obvious padding in the form of extended or new dungeons because I loved the gameplay.
The ending though was disappointing. It deviated too much from the original plot, seems like it will just add a bunch of unnecessary convoluted stuff and overall I didn't like the inclusion of the phantoms. The whole end segment just felt weirdly out of place, you have this one coherent story and then after the motorway battle it's like the characters (Aerith in particular) change and start talking about fighting fate and whatnot.
But still really hyped for the next chapter. As long as they ease up a bit with the linearity and forced walking and continue with the awesome combat and nice bottles I'm all in.
Officially, as far as I know, it was only this part.
But then again Sony is still spending on time exclusives like FFXVI so you can be sure they will at least offer Square some money to make the next chapters timed exclusives too.
I have to say, now that some months have passed and the initial hype is over, I really enjoyed most of the game and so far It's still my GOTY. It's definitely flawed with the hyper linear levels, constant forced walking, meh sidequests and inconsistent visuals. But I still enjoyed revisiting the world, the visuals are still mostly great, I absolutely loved the combat system (in that regard 7Remake >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original) and it has some of the coolest boss battles in any JRPG I've played.
As for the story changed and additions. Some of them I liked, like expanding Jessie and friends a bit. A also didn't mind some of the obvious padding in the form of extended or new dungeons because I loved the gameplay.
The ending though was disappointing. It deviated too much from the original plot, seems like it will just add a bunch of unnecessary convoluted stuff and overall I didn't like the inclusion of the phantoms. The whole end segment just felt weirdly out of place, you have this one coherent story and then after the motorway battle it's like the characters (Aerith in particular) change and start talking about fighting fate and whatnot.
But still really hyped for the next chapter. As long as they ease up a bit with the linearity and forced walking and continue with the awesome combat and nice bottles I'm all in.
Officially, as far as I know, it was only this part.
But then again Sony is still spending on time exclusives like FFXVI so you can be sure they will at least offer Square some money to make the next chapters timed exclusives too.
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Thabass
Member
If you went into this thinking the story wouldn't change at all, then I don't know what you expected. At the very least, we have something we can look forward too when the next game(s) release. Personally, I'm glad they're changing it up. It IS a REMAKE after all. Nothing was going to really be the same. It just needed to be similar.
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Kev Kev
Member
lol, excuse me
*ahem*
almost all of us
oh no no no no no you can stop right fucking there lol
no way are you guys going to change the narrative on this one. nearly everyone in the gaming community who wanted ffvii remake made it crystal fucking clear that we did not want any chanegs to the story. we wanetd a remake. no one was out there picketing for story changes, bc most of us didnt want that. not even going to entertain the idea that im projecting, bc i was here along with alot of you mfers and we all just wanted the same story to be told, exactly how it used to be, with some liberties and changes made to the gameplay. thats it! lol
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