Yeah, I guess it's down to how much money Nintendo will throw out in the next couple of weeks in America. Has the push started? TV commercials?
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NPD July 2012 Sales Results [Up3: 3DS Hardware Correction - 124K+]
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Yeah, I guess it's down to how much money Nintendo will throw out in the next couple of weeks in America. Has the push started? TV commercials?
Kacho
Gold Member
Without a doubt. That coupled with the lack of compelling software is killing the thing at retail.
A Human Becoming
More than a Member
They're definitely bad, but I think people have to know about, and then care about, the PSV before this even becomes an issue.
I don't think most people even know the PSV is out there, or what it offers.
wow, we had a good run guys
Didnt even have a run, let alone a good one. Too bad.
i'm placing the bump low because:
-it's august
-the launch is later in the month
-the xl is $199.99
Yoshida is definetly one of the main people involved in the Vita project, the console was designed with the help of the first party studios and he was the first to showcase its features with actual software (Uncharted and Little Deviants).
The problem with Vita is simply a lack of investement commitment on Sony's part.
They're not treating it as if it was a flagship product, given their financial situation they have probably decided that it isn't worth to pour billions on a handheld gaming device, the market for such products is inevitably shrinking, they are also getting involved into brining Playstation games on smartphones and tablets through the Playstation Suite.
They thought that the system had a good price for its value (which is true) so it would sell decently, that third party support would have come without having to open their wallet every time. They were wrong, the system needed a much more aggressive strategy to find its place in the market.
Vita's future relies on Sony. If they are willing to cut the price and secure relevant support (even if that means that they have to co-develop the most important titles) and market the product properly, it will become successful.
If not, it will be exactly like Gamecube, a niche console with limited support and a few really good games released over its life cycle.
expensive accessories bring a nice revenue when the "main-thing" itself is selling well...
otherwise they are just useless or hurt the core product if they are necessary to it.
chertipros
Member
Yup commercials already started rolling out here
frankie_baby
Member
Its also likely that the regular 3ds should get a good bump from Mario and quite possibly from kingdom hearts too
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Which would put DS around 125K.
Last Hearth
Member
JohnnySasaki86
Member
How close are ps3 sales to the aggregate number? Is it greater than 140k?
Petrae
Member
Math prevails.
metalslimer
Member
From where I'm looking there is a much worse possible future for Vita than Gamecube. Nintendo sold a crap ton of software on gamecube.
No hes wrong. It's the biggest flop since the N-gage
chertipros
Member
The Vita's the biggest failure since the Virtual Boy. I shouldn't have bought into the GAF pre-release hype.
Lol. You must be kidding
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Frankly at this point, Sony's probably better off pulling a Virtual Boy with the Vita.
Well, it's going to be out for a full week. The XL only needed two days to sell over 170k in Japan. Plus NSMB2 could also bump original 3DS sales.
PopcornMegaphone
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frankie_baby
Member
Unfortunately for Sony a GameCube like performance as a niche console with limited support and a few really good games is looking like a best case scenario
The Vita's the biggest failure since the Virtual Boy. I shouldn't have bought into the GAF pre-release hype.
let's not be overly pessimistic... it's not at virtual boy levels yet... it could turn out to be at gamecube levels...
anyhow if you really think you made a mistake buying the system i think this is the best time to sell it... i'd personally keep it and enjoy whatever game will come up in the future
They really don't. Hardcore gamers know what it is. To the mass market, it's invisible.
CosmicQueso
Member
Over the first 17 months the 3DS software revenues have mirrored the NDS in its first 17 months. 3DS also has a bigger installed base than the NDS did at the same point. So, I'd be feeling pretty good if I were them.
The Vita, on the other hand... man I love my Vita. Best game device I've ever bought. But that poor, poor system. Sigh.
Bending_Unit_22
Member
I was thinking it hurt since consumers tend to back off when they go to buy a $250 item and are told "oh by the way you need to buy this extra not terribly cheap item you were unaware of". That would mainly be the casual consumer and yeah given the niche market and the sales of the Vita I don't think too many of them are wandering into stores looking for a Vita.
That being said I do think it would snuff out sales even if Sony could make everyone aware of the Vita and convince them that they want it.
shinra-bansho
Member
So based on PR math, last year's estimates and last month's estimates.
PS3 + Wii = ~207-215K
PS3 = 137 < x < 148K
Wii = 62 < x < 76K
Edit: And based on combining Petrae and creamsugar's posts PSV = 47-49K
PS3 + Wii = ~207-215K
PS3 = 137 < x < 148K
Wii = 62 < x < 76K
Edit: And based on combining Petrae and creamsugar's posts PSV = 47-49K
Petrae
Member
Seriously, kudos to AnalystGAF, which called the Xbox 360 number EXACTLY with its aggregate. Maybe donny2112 can tell us how many times it's been dead on before...
The rest of the numbers, as I pointed out on Twitter and a few times tonight, were really close. Not one aggregate missed by more than 10K either side.
[Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.]
The rest of the numbers, as I pointed out on Twitter and a few times tonight, were really close. Not one aggregate missed by more than 10K either side.
[Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.]
Sony hasn't done anything yet for the Vita.
Give them at least the possibility to take actions before sealing its fate. It's not like it will continue to sell like this forever, it will get much better. Just like with the PS3 and the 3DS.
Also they're expecting shipments of 10m units over the first 12-15 months on the market.
GC did 20m in 4-5 years.
So no this thing is definetly not the VB or the Dremcast. But if Sony doesn't invest and take it seriosuly as a platform it will become their own Gamcube.
No not really, again Sony hasn't done a single thing to push this console. It's almost as putting a box with a few games on the market and see as it goes.
They can still aim much higher than GC IF they want to invest and take it seriously (price cuts, redesigns, moneyhatting big games,and so on).
metalslimer
Member
DS sold like shit its first year and a half in America. The 3DS outselling it is good but not a big accomplishment.
If they don't invest or take it seriously retailers will stop ordering it and it will be worse than the gamecube. The gamecube software wise would be an amazing situation for Sony
OldJadedGamer
Banned
Even if you decide to make the move and get one, you get to the counter thinking it's $250 then the clerk tells you system literally won't work with all the games unless you buy a memory card which of course, they will upsell the most expensive one. Consumer sees initial cost skyrocket and consumer puts system back on shelf.
It was one of the things that held me back that I couldn't use open memory.
The Vita is absolutely stunning in every sense. It's gorgeous. The screen is OMFG amazing. Ability to have all your games on your device at all times wonderous. Dual analogs that feel fantastic.
It could only take the incompetence of Sony to kill such an amazing device.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
The mass market doesn't care about killer graphics and dual analog sticks. Vita was made with GAF in mind which is why it's failing so hard.
A lot of how we assess the 3DS in America from here on out will depend on how important a benchmark one feels the DS is.
bigtroyjon
Member
They can expect all the shipments that they want but as we've seen, their expectations don't line up with reality.
Gamecocks625
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metalslimer
Member
There's a very good reason the OP updates in the manner it does. I'll leave it at that.
it's to troll nintendo, isn't it? because you hate them so much.
Not at all. Even the Saturn didn't bomb at this level did it? That technically came out before the VB but lasted far beyond it.. but nothing else has bombed at this level since. For it to still be under 700k in the US and barely over that in Japan is just mindblowing.. the fact they haven't slashed prices is insane. Sony must be losing so much per unit that they're content to just let it die on the vine. There's no confidence from Sony and there's little to no software coming from anyone. It's not looking good.
I've played VC2 on it more than any native software.
OldJadedGamer
Banned
This is the first time in history a game system couldn't run every launch game out of the box though. Optional accessories are one thing, required ones make it seem like the original unit is broken.
frankie_baby
Member
You really think they'll hit the (already reduced once) shipment targets? Now we really need the lol smiley back
timetokill
Banned
Vita: Simply the least desirable handheld yet released?