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Spider-Man 2 on PC is off to a rough start quality-wise
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brenobnfm
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There are millions of people in the world who played this on a PS5, a couple of issues doesn't make it "buggy". I don't even want to defend this game since it's woke crap, but being buggy wasn't one of its issues.
I think that was Alan Wake but maybe it is true for SoM too. I just know SBI was heavily involved in SoM.
MiguelItUp
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There were definitely people here and out there that claim it was/is.
This was one of the main reasons, too. People weren't happy about a gay employee appearing in the dev diary, lol.
People just turn a blind eye for some reason. Same with Avowed, or South of Midnight being a fully confirmed Sweet Baby Inc DEI game. They pretend that it's different somehow some way.
Defenders gonna defend, always seems to be the case.
He was the narrative designer and it was more about what he said about modern audiences than him being gay (is he gay? I don't even know, nor care)
Blackage
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/spider-man-2-is-the-buggiest-sony-aaa-release-ever.1662626/page-10
I don't know why you're dying on this hill. We even had a 10 page thread here about it.
MiguelItUp
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For you maybe, but that's most certainly not what I was reading and seeing from the majority. I mean, is easy to assume with the button and shirt, haha. Unless he's just a huge gay supporter than isn't gay. Regardless, I didn't understand it because I felt that it doesn't matter who works on what, it's the outcome and product that matters most. Just because a person is X,Y,Z, shouldn't automatically mean something is done for. I'd think it's fair to feel that way if it's a person that's known for travesties, lol.
Really curious how long it'll take for them to get the port fixed.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
People just turn a blind eye? My guy, that image was hounded in every Indy thread right up till the game released. Only then did those folks who kept insisting that there will be playable Gina segments and Indy will be indisposed for some part of the game, finally relented. And don't even start on either Avowed or SoM, both of those have recent topics you can quickly refer to to see how wrong you are.
Stop this revisionist history you're trying to peddle here, lol.
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OverHeat
« generous god »
He is a troll at this point…
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
My guy hasn't changed one bit over the years lol, instead of addressing the bugs, he's finger pointing at them for being colt.
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HogIsland
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wild scalability to do this on the highest end while also running well on Steam Deck. Nixxes + Insomniac are wizards.
James Sawyer Ford
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My guy hasn't changed one bit over the years lol, instead of addressing the bugs, he's finger pointing at them for being colt.
What massive bugs? Seriously, coalteastwood is about at your level of console warrior troll tier, making a mountain out of a molehill only to get owned
Whatever issues that may have existed appeared to get patched quickly and disappear, lots of people had no problems but you’re going to cherry pick the outlier
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Senua
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Again, there was an 11 page thread with many people playing the game and talking about the issues and bugs they were having, including myself, you're saying that it didn't happen is just flat out wrong, despite whatever you call anyone else.
Did they patch a lot of issues? Of course, in a few weeks this PC version will be in a much better State too. We're comparing launch states of both versions right now.
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James Sawyer Ford
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We don’t know how quickly the pc issues get patched, hopefully they do
Comparing the pc release the console release is laughable though. It was not a big deal.
Skifi28
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Much like threads about console games released with issues will have the inevitable "just get a PC" posts. Fanboys will fanboy, it's pointless to argue whether the chicken or the egg came first.
Killer8
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The fact this was handled by Nixxes makes the low port quality baffling. This was a company who used to be the best in the business when it came to PC porting and that was the reason why Sony bought them. Now they are churning out work that's no better than a second rate attempt handled in-house by some Insomniac interns.
Methinks Nixxes have bitten off more than they can chew by doing side projects like Horizon.
Methinks Nixxes have bitten off more than they can chew by doing side projects like Horizon.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nixxess has been stretched thin so this might take a bit. Sony is pushing a single studio to release 5~ PC ports in a year and change. Of course shit's gonna suffer as a consequence.
Bumblebeetuna
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Lost guy even says in that thread that he has experienced bugs. But now in this thread he’s experienced zero.
Fool actually said people are turning a blind eye with Indy and Avowed and SoM
mayham2199
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Yea I don't remember that either I just assumed it was a SQ. I guess I'm expected to remember every single mission for every single game I play.
HogIsland
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"it's a solid port with one glaring problem"
"once they iron of some of those issues, the pc version will be the definitive version of spiderman 2"
"kinks and all this is the greatest the game has ever looked, definitely surpassing the ps5 pro version, they just need to fix the crashing problem"
"it does seem like running on lower settings is a less bumpy experience"
@5:27
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Fess
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YET
Xbox started off by doing late ports too…
It took them half a generation or so to go day 1 and Steam on everything. Sony could still choose to go the same route.
Either way I don’t think Sony would end up in an Xbox scenario with day 1 PC ports. More likely they would just sell a lot more games since the games would be on two popular platforms when the hype is at it’s peak.
And nobody is going to swap from PC to PS for timed exclusivity anyway so the whole strategy with late ports is badly thought-out imo.
Day 1 on PS and PC for maximum reach and hype.
OR
True exclusivity for maximum system selling power.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That was fast.
OverHeat
« generous god »
Still hang….
James Sawyer Ford
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Not true
kevboard
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People just turn a blind eye for some reason. Same with Avowed, or South of Midnight being a fully confirmed Sweet Baby Inc DEI game. They pretend that it's different somehow some way.
who the fuck cares? Indy stayed 100% true to its source material. it's better in every way than any Indy movie after 3 by a large margine...
the worst you can say about it is that Microsoft wasted money by contracting a bunch of grifters that didn't add anything to the game.
the game itself has no story, character or lore related issues whatsoever.
the biggest issues of the game are parts of the game design, because they sadly didn't fully avoid adding modern AAA nonsense... it mostly avoided it, but not fully.
yurinka
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Only a small portion of them have a powerful enough PC to run the game in decent conditions. This isn't a crossgen game.
The PS userbase kept increasing, not decreasing. Games like this one and GoWR had record sales in PS even if being sequels of a game previously ported to PC. So apparently some people may have moved from PC to PS to play the sequels without having to wait.
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BigBeauford
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Minimum is a 1650, recommended is a 3060. Not exactly world beating cards.
Fess
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”some people may have”
And some people may have jumped back in from PS4 or even PS3 or upgraded to Pro or jumped over to PS from Xbox dying or from Nintendo stalling the Switch 2 launch.
What numbers are you looking at when you come to the conclusion that an increase on PS would come from specifically PC-only gamers tired on waiting for timed exclusives?
From my perspective the whole idea of it is absurd. The only thing I think Sony will get out of this porting strategy is games sold on Steam. And that’s not bad, Steam is growing, SteamOS devices are coming. But those sales numbers would no doubt increase if the games were there when there is still hype. A late release is always a bit meh, except maybe a Rockstar release.
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yurinka
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Obviously not all new users are from PC, I didn't say that. Obviously the biggest group of PS users must come from previous PS, and others may come from other consoles or from the movies. But:
- In the PS hardware ranking China highly raised in PS5 vs where it was vs PS4 (most people play there on mobile or PC)
- Over half of PS users are new to PS (which means a number of new users bigger than the Xbox userbase because PS5 is outselling MS way more than 2:1)
- Biggest active userbase ever (MAU), so increasing instead of decreasing
- Sales of sequels of games ported to PC selling more than the original, even breaking records:
- GoWR (2022)
- Spider-Man 2 (2023)
- Helldivers 2 (2024)
- Totoki, Nishino and Hermen mentioning that PC isn't parasiting their PS business and instead is helping it
In addition to help them reach new users and make extra money on PC or helping them grow PS, that extra revenue and profit from PC is specially needed because AAA games get more expensive every generation and they are now reaching budgets of $300M+, meaning they need to sell 8-10M units to become profitable.
Even if they are growing their console userbase making it bigger than ever, historically only a portion of their games sold above that, so looking at the future (considering the next gen will increase will be even more expensive) they needed to find extra revenue sources, as have been GaaS, PC, movies/tv shows and in the future mobile.
The amount of revenue their 1st party games make outside PS has been growing a lot every year and is getting close to the one they make on PS. Here you have a comparision (even if not 1:1) of their revenue in PS vs outside PS:
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/sony...g-the-pc-port-strategy.1680107/post-270057842
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Fess
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That’s why they could go day 1 on Steam and help their business even more by selling the games when there is still some solid hype!
Look at Helldivers 2, day 1 release and mega success, 450k ccu. Meanwhile it’ll be interesting to see if even TLOU2 could break 100k ccu when limping in 5 years too late. I haven’t played it yet but I still feel no hype over it, I already know all the major story bits, it’s been spoiled left and right for years. Might check it out if there are mods turning Abby into a hot lady or something like that.
viveks86
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The thought behind timed exclusives is to maximize software sales on a platform. Not as much to maximize hardware sales. People end up purchasing on the first platform due to FOMO or double dipping. They are all different viable strategies to achieve different goals. For proof of this phenomenon, I submit Maximilian Dood and his undying love for FF7 rebirthAnd nobody is going to swap from PC to PS for timed exclusivity anyway so the whole strategy with late ports is badly thought-out imo.
Day 1 on PS and PC for maximum reach and hype.
OR
True exclusivity for maximum system selling power.
willothedog
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Over 700,000 stealing this trash 
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MAX PAYMENT
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It sure looks like one.
yurinka
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Don't give it a lot of attention to CCUs, it's just a metric for server programmers.
As business, the important thing is revenue and profitability. Their ports are always profitable, and their first party off-PS revenue keeps growing every year and is nearing the one the one they make on console. And if it has any side effect on their console business, looking at the metrics it's positive.
So from a business perspective, what makes sense is to continue with their current pc ports strategy and maybe push it a bit further, as would be to also port older or less popular games, release their own PC store, maybe even to put there PS1/PS2/PSP classics, maybe reduce the window for SP games a bit, etc.
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Physiognomonics
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Yep. that's why Nintendo will never release their games on PC. It's litteraly devaluating your IPs. "Don't release your game on PC if you already have a successful locked store !" should be a 101 rule.Over 700,000 stealing this trash
MMaRsu
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They could put in drm but are happy to not pay Denuvo for that.
And Steam customers are happy to reward them.
killatopak
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ChiefDada
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Lol and they'll type this with a straight face too!
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Their games already get pirated like hell anyway lmao.
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kevboard
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every PC with a higher card than a 2070 has a PC with a better GPU than the PS5, especially for Raytracing.
and that's a massive amount of people, given that the 3060 is among the most popular GPUs
RED = On par or better
Yellow = trades blows (like better RT but slightly worse raster etc.)
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Buggy Loop
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And it ended up being that he tells a story for modern audiences... You know, just a modern audience without any DEI or insertion of that kind, just not a story for boomers who watched Indiana Jones in the cinema 44 years ago.
You were part of the DEI / Woke / Cancel movement for Indiana Jones, absolute brainrot.
Bojji
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We need to find Chris J's GAF account name.
ChiefDada
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every PC with a higher card than a 2070 has a PC with a better GPU than the PS5, especially for Raytracing.
and that's a massive amount of people, given that the 3060 is among the most popular GPUs
RED = On par or better
Yellow = trades blows (like better RT but slightly worse raster etc.)
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The 2060 is nowhere near a PS5, my guy. In fact, even the 2070 is slower and the 2070S is around equal. That’s not even getting into the VRAM.every PC with a higher card than a 2070 has a PC with a better GPU than the PS5, especially for Raytracing.
and that's a massive amount of people, given that the 3060 is among the most popular GPUs
RED = On par or better
Yellow = trades blows (like better RT but slightly worse raster etc.)
The 5700 XT is not faster than the PS5’s GPU either.
DF did a whole piece. 6700=2070S=PS5’s GPU.