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DF - PlayStation 5 Pro - PS4 Image Enhancement - What Does It Do And Does It Work Well?
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I guess my eyes are now officially mince.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It doesn't work on games above 1080p, or games with post process like CA or film grain, and also has performance implications
Seems kinda pointless on paper but something they can work on and refine for PS6, I guess.
Seems kinda pointless on paper but something they can work on and refine for PS6, I guess.
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DryvBy
Gold Member
I've tried multiple games, including EDF 5 which runs at some 480p lol. DF alluring way of speaking is why I sometimes hate them. They need to talk like normal humans instead of being a Hallmark card.
Every game I've tried on PS4 with this feature has looked exactly the same. Exactly unless I guess I zoom in like DF does and talk about some obscure thing someone can't see. The bottom line is, this feature isn't that amazing. It's for people that sit 5" from their sets.
RDR2 was one I played the most of and it runs at its normal 30fps without any noticable dips. I don't have a bunch of fancy hardware to tells me if it drops a frame but it felt the same.
Vick
Member
That performance cost is insane. I only tried Driveclub and did notice the IQ boost, but I had no idea it had a whopping 10fps impact behind the scenes.. for a simply sharper picture with no/barely noticeable AA/temporal improvements of any kind?
At the very least not something we would see in 99.9% of games given they run way above they targets on PS5.
Want to try all those PS4 Resident Evil like REmaster, Zero, RE5, RE6 and the Revelations, they're all 1080p ports from weaker machines and aside from the first two were already 60fps on PS4.
At the very least not something we would see in 99.9% of games given they run way above they targets on PS5.
Want to try all those PS4 Resident Evil like REmaster, Zero, RE5, RE6 and the Revelations, they're all 1080p ports from weaker machines and aside from the first two were already 60fps on PS4.
But I've seen comparisons of Bloodborne and The Order: 1886 showing improvements, so it does work on games with CA and film grain.
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Luipadre
Gold Member
Order looks better with it? Fuck... i might replay it AGAIN
The performance cost is too exaggerated vs the improvement in IQ, which is slight, and not all games appreciate it in the same way. It certainly doesn't make sense to use it in games where the result will be an unstable framerate.
That said, it's a good initiative and perhaps they can improve performance over time and even for the next hardware.
That said, it's a good initiative and perhaps they can improve performance over time and even for the next hardware.
Vick
Member
I'm not sure. While subtle it did appear improved on the DF comparison:
But watching the video again I believe it could be motion blur causing this, as the camera isn't perfectly still.
Either that or the enhancement fights hard to manifest under all that post processing.
Bloodborne however is filled with CA to the max and receives a noticeable improvement with the feature ON, so it does work with CA.
It's absolutely nothing groundbreaking, and not comparable to what Xbox backwards compatibility achieved for many games, but it's still a welcome feature and especially one in the right direction.
Wish I knew before doing a whole Uncharted marathon just a month ago, but oh well.
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Jibran#one
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World's most expensive sharpness filter...
This can easily be done with ps5 amateur aswell right?
This can easily be done with ps5 amateur aswell right?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Yeah I think it would work better if those games didn't have it, but to say it doesn't work at all is a lie.
tommib
Gold Member
Using this lowers the frame rate of the games? I’ve been playing RE6 and didn’t notice any drops, at all.
kevboard
Member
...because RDR2 doesn't support it? anything that runs at a resolution higher than 1080p doesn't support this.
Synless
Member
Right! So worthless.
Most games don’t benefit from this and it tanks performance in some games. This is a worthless feature in its current state.
kevboard
Member
it does seem pretty worthless yes.
I feel like, if anything, they should have tried to implement something more similar to AutoSR. at least with that you'd get an actually higher reconstructed resolution
Vick
Member
It has a performance cost, but stuff like RE6 would never in a million years be impacted by this.
The game was already locked 60fps on PS4, probably runs at +200fps on Pro lol.. you'll never see evidence of its cost on those kind of games.
All the PS4 games that never received a PS4 Pro patch do benefit from this, that could be the entire point of this feature.
And there's no way you would notice its cost in 99% of them as they were stable framerate with a cap on their original console, you see it on Until Dawn because it ran at 20fps on PS4 and it's fully unlocked on PS5 consoles, but it's obviously a special case.
As for being useless, eh, I disagree. Especially for something they haven't even marketed.
P.S. You can play RDR2 at 1080p on PS5 if you select 1080p output, doing this for some reason disables checkerboard and runs the regular PS4 version instead of PS4 Pro, so should be eligible for the Boost.
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LordOcidax
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Another 4X Zoom comparison… For a sharpening filter.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Playstation 5 SemiPro?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Pro-ish.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Remember the PS4 Pro would boost games to 60fps, use CB on some to achieve 4k and even boost some games natively to a higher resolution..
Now we have this with Pro Enhanced games for 700 bucks
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Killjoy-NL
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It isn't? That surprises me a bit.
Tried it for a bit the other day and I found it smooth af.
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RedC
Member
It's likely still a stable 60fps and it certainly hits 60fps more often than on PS5.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
kevboard
Member
he thinks they must be using some form of Machine Learning algorithm due to how well it upscales text compared to how "dumb" post proceeding upscalers usually do it.
so that would explain the performance hit.
I assume they were ok with this trade-off because you get roughly the same performance as a base PS5 when it's on.
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TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Anything over 40 will give that 60fps feel.
It's when it drops when it becomes a problem, same with any frame rate.
But the Remake has a Performance Mode on both Base & Pro now so....one of must hit 60fps
Killer8
Member
They need to add two additional options:
1. The ability to downsample PS4 Pro enhanced games which are already over 1080p back to 1080p so that we can use this enhancement on them. This should be trivial to do as it was already an option on the PS4 Pro.
2. An optional extra AA pass which does not blur the image, like SMAA. This enhancement works well at sharpening and detail enhancement from my testing but does actually make stair-stepping jagged lines more noticeable.
1. The ability to downsample PS4 Pro enhanced games which are already over 1080p back to 1080p so that we can use this enhancement on them. This should be trivial to do as it was already an option on the PS4 Pro.
2. An optional extra AA pass which does not blur the image, like SMAA. This enhancement works well at sharpening and detail enhancement from my testing but does actually make stair-stepping jagged lines more noticeable.
Jibran#one
Member
This is fucking embarrassing back in the day Xbox one x was upscaling games to 4k without any performance drop this is just a fucking sharpness filter with performance drops wtf
King Dazzar
Member
So this is weird. But I can definitely tell a difference between it on and off with Far Cry 5. Its very very subtle, but with it on the image is ever so slightly more refined. Thinking it may just be placebo, I've just now tested again. And I stand by it. we should bear in mind I'm having to view this on my 85" panel and I have some reality creation enabled and its being upscaled onto 8k. So I dont expect everyone to see what I see. But its there. And Far Cry 5 is a PS4 game above 1080p.
I cant prove it to you, its very subtle, but I can see it.
I cant prove it to you, its very subtle, but I can see it.
Killjoy-NL
Gold Member
BigLee74
Member
PlayStation 5 Anal Pro-lapse?
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
When it released with on one mode capped at 30fps sure.Imo OG Until Dawn on PS5 Pro kinda makes the remake redundant.
But now it has a Performance Mode on the base PS5 and is PS5 Pro Enhanced with a performance mode....I wouldn't say that's a definite.
I haven't seen anything on it yet, but that maybe not the case anymore
Vick
Member
This is the "oh lawd" IQ:
Running at 60fps while solving all the oversharpnening issues and temporal artifacts present after the latest patch on base PS5 and non-PSSR modes by the removal/alteration of their previous TAA solution:
Man you are unfortunately right, they messed up their TAA.
Game looks much sharper but also infinitely less natural and pleasing as a result especially in motion, and it's definitely nowhere near as perfectly clean as it was before.
The pre-rendered look is completely gone while playing.
I know static pictures might tell a different story but 2.00 is unquestionably worse. If the PSSR image on Pro is going to be similar to this (but obviously more stable) I'll probably keep playing the game on my main PS5 while making sure it never updates.
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If someone plays on a regular PS5 and has yet to update, DO NOT.
@CellarDoor81 many, many thanks for sharing.
And I am genuinely sorry for you, unfortunately the version on disc is missing some graphical detail like Joel reacting to water flowing on him (along with the splashes on him), and they fixed countless other issues with that absolutely *perfect patch 1.003:
*The only downside Anthony Caliber highlighted, the wheels visually not rotating while pushing the car with Bill, only affects speedruns and doesn't happen on a normal playthrough.
Which is what PSSR does.
Forsete
Gold Member
Which is what PSSR does.
But some people might prefer 30 fps and the over sharpened look and dithered hair?
As long as they get to shit on the Pro that is.
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Killer8
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Running at 60fps while solving all the oversharpnening issues and temporal artifacts present after the latest patch on base PS5 and non-PSSR modes by the removal/alteration of their previous TAA solution:
Can't be said enough how often people confuse an over-sharpened image with 'detail'. Image with more contrasty blobs = sharper, seems to be what goes through people's minds. Ellie practically looks cel-shaded in this screenshot.
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Vick
Member
I have no doubtBut some people might prefer 30 fps and the over sharpened look and dithered hair?
As long as they get to shit on the Pro that is.
TGO
posts in good faith. He must just genuinely prefer the sharper picture. I personally despise it with passion, I guess perceivable by my reaction to the recent TAA patch I've shared above.
What's funny is that the Pro Mode looks insanely sharp as well, just a more natural kind of sharpness.
It's a real hassle to open full-size pictures from Postimg unfortunately, however luckily via GAF one can simply click on the uncompressed 4K screenshots I've shared and zoom directly from here.
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
What game is that? If it's tlou, then you should know that ND dropped the ball and ruined base modes before pro released.Remember the PS4 Pro would boost games to 60fps, use CB on some to achieve 4k and even boost some games natively to a higher resolution..
Now we have this with Pro Enhanced games for 700 bucks
They did something to TAA and original modes are now oversharpened and dithered.
Just just because in this comparison PRO looks to resolve less detail, does not make the other pciture more correct. It might be other way around
Physiognomonics
Member
Impossible to do without modifying the game package.
Vick
Member
This. x100.
Especially when most of those games perfectly run at 60fps already on jailbroken PS5's.
At this point I think the real issue is that in order to do so, on modded PS5, all those games received a custom dedicated patch, and when it's Illusion doing it nobody cares, but it's probably a different story in case of Sony releasing those patches.
Bernardougf
Member
Pa5 pro is the zoom machine
Zathalus
Member
Tell that to Microsoft.
