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[GloveSlap]

The internal battery is disappointing, but i could deal with it if it had back buttons/paddles. Without those it's useless to me.

 

[sainraja]

The implication is that if this is a part of the standard next machine.

Why would I go out of the way to buy it now.

Chances are, you'll still be able to use your existing controller on that.

Also multiple other users have said the same thing so I'm far from an outlier in this topic.

Fair enough I suppose but ya'll can simply not purchase this, as long as it is "optional" and again, I think the chances are good that even if this becomes the standard, you'll still be able to use your current one. Companies only need to encourage or require use of something when it's not standard, when it is something they need to push for. Xbox adopting it is a good thing IMO since it will become a standard, like vibration and dual analog... etc etc.

 

[sainraja]

Hopefully they fix that higher than DualSense/Edge input lag.

Hmm?

 

[YeulEmeralda]

Meh I have a Dualsense and the haptic feedback is just a gimmick. I don't really need the immersion to be honest.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

Wait, I thought we were supposed to reveling in the glory that is the modern era, now we're plugging it back in again? We NES now?
Look, it's an interesting suggestion, but check this one out: I could also just....pop out the Eneloops that I have around thirty spare of and pop some new ones in, then pop the old ones in the Eneloop charger right next to the entertainment center. Less than a minute, no cords, no dock.... gloriously modern.

And yes, a bit Fisher Price, but still my favorite solution

That's pretty fucking stupid ngl, can't imagine relying on AA batteries for anything other than a flashlight these days.

 

[drotahorror]

How are PS3 archivists doing with their internal batteries? Has anyone checked on them recently? Been a few years, but last time I checked virtually ALL of the dual shock 3s on earth had dead, unrecoverable batteries.

Mine's doing absolutely fine. Granted it's basically brand new.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

i guess this controller is going to be compatible with PS5, right? it only makes sense

 

[SHA]

Double As are gone, what a releaf.

 

[Tams]

GOODBYE to the BATTERIES

Idiotic in two ways.

1. Still batteries.
2. AAs are more convenient, and AA-shaped battery packs can also be used.

 

[Dr.brain64]

Direct-to-Cloud

No thanks

 

[SHA]

Idiotic in two ways.

1. Still batteries.
2. AAs are more convenient, and AA-shaped battery packs can also be used.

I get that but my experience are bad with these.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Xbox is both best and worst. The best really is the play and charge kit. It will cost you about 25, but I like its battery life more than that of my DualSense and I kind of appreciated the longer cord. Once dead or when you want to archive your system you can just remove it without doing anything fancy, keeping the controller in tact.

Err that would be a +1 from me. Well I'm not sure about what the 'faf' is in taking some AA batteries out and putting new ones in.
Get with the times is not a great rallying call, when the 'times' is using sealed in batteries to accelerate device obscelecence. I only change my phone nowadays because the battery has deteriorated to much and replacing it risks killing the device.

Once I had my Nexus 6 battery replaced by some mobile phone fixer store. Was about 50 bucks I think, and I ultimately used it for another year and a half or so. Its worth the gamble and those guys had insurance in case they fucked up.

 

[Miyazaki’s Slave]

Collecting all that sweet controller data from players while charging a premium price.

Does it require wifi to work or can it be connected via Bluetooth/xbox wireless protocol to console/pc?

 

[Sorcerer]

Really wish the back buttons would become standard across the board.

Who knows? It does say in the last sentence on the right "SE, LE, DL editions as expected". Standard, Limited, and Deluxe".
Want to see the Deluxe. Could the Deluxe version finally replace the Elite?

 

[alabtrosMyster]

I like the gimmicks as a whole, but I would like to be able to have Start and Select buttons instead of whatever Sony made them now.

Also, bring the colors back on the shapes, they're needed for some older games QTE events.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

Imagine being Sony, having a 5 year head start and Microsoft takes your lunch money because you refused to support the biggest platform in gaming. Microsoft will be late to the party and still make a killing because Sony refuses to make the controllers 100% PC compatible.

Yeah sure, lets pretend like Sony creating drivers would have convinced former Xbox owners to switch from asymmetrical controllers to symmetrical.... Isnt it funny how the best selling controller and accessory this generation has nothing to do with "the biggest platform in gaming"?

 

[Moochi]

Rechargeable batteries suck. You'll have to replace this in 2 years minimum or play with a cord.

 

[FIREKNIGHT2029]

MS is always playing catchup. Explains why the console brand is in the sad state that it is.

 

[poodaddy]

That's pretty fucking stupid ngl, can't imagine relying on AA batteries for anything other than a flashlight these days.

You're really good at debating viewpoints dude, you should teach a class.

"I think this."

"You're fuckin dumb dude, you should think this."

A rare talent bro, good for you.

 

[Donald mac Ronald]

"world best controller" have you seen the state of that dpad?

 

[poodaddy]

Well based on what they have decided to do with their next controller it looks like they are finally joining the rest of the industry, so you'll no longer be able to do you.

My controllers aren't going bad anytime soon, (I have.....an embarrassing amount of controllers), and I play on PC.

Seems I'll be just fine brother.

 

[Js562]

I'm ready for it. My Xbox controllers are great besides the dpad. I'll take another

 

[RafterXL]

Yeah sure, lets pretend like Sony creating drivers would have convinced former Xbox owners to switch from asymmetrical controllers to symmetrical.... Isnt it funny how the best selling controller and accessory this generation has nothing to do with "the biggest platform in gaming"?

It's not about former Xbox owners, it's about PS owners who also play games on PC. I have 3 Edges and still use the Elite significantly more because the Edge sucks dick on PC. And how retarded do you have to be to not be able to use both asymmetrical and symmetrical? Literally every other platform uses asymmetrical sticks, the only people who can't seem to adapt are PS only gamers.

 

[TrebleShot]

I'll.be interested in this because if they get haptic working over BT it means they could do on the dualsense.

At the moment haptics don't work for it cos BT doesn't have the bandwidth and latency for the audio signals it's using to recreate the haptic in the pad. Sony has never updated this and they have never used a USB 2.4ghz dongle to alleviate it.

I'm not sure what MS could do unless they used something like BT 5.2 and used APX low latency which Windows doesn't support natively lol.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'll.be interested in this because if they get haptic working over BT it means they could do on the dualsense.

At the moment haptics don't work for it cos BT doesn't have the bandwidth and latency for the audio signals it's using to recreate the haptic in the pad. Sony has never updated this and they have never used a USB 2.4ghz dongle to alleviate it.

I'm not sure what MS could do unless they used something like BT 5.2 and used APX low latency which Windows doesn't support natively lol.

But aren’t the controllers connected via BT on the PS5? Mine all say they are, and all the haptics work fine.

 

[TrebleShot]

But aren’t the controllers connected via BT on the PS5? Mine all say they are, and all the haptics work fine.

Nope it's a weird combo of bt and 2.4ghz hence lossless audio via controller

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Hmm?

It's pretty bad in comparison especially if we compare the Edge.

 

[aevanhoe]

Honestly a lot more useful than haptics and other gimmicky features. Should be standard in all 'next gen' consoles and controllers.

I am a BIG fan of the back buttons, but I have to say that haptics are definitely NOT a gimmick. Useful? No. Fun and immersive? Yes. Much better than vibration? 200%

 

[DryvBy]

We love those gimmicks™ now!

Their next gimmick will be the invisible console!

 

[awwr999999]

But Xbox fans have been saying for a decade that AA batteries are far better than rechargeable internal batteries. Is this no longer the case?

PS will put a plug-in cord on DualSense and when MS gets around to copying that gaming will be better off.
Wireless can be good but wired costs less and works better with no battery nags or battery charging.

 

[awwr999999]

Only thing I care about is if Microsoft will put Hall Effect sticks in their controller...
Cause MS/Sony/Nintendo need to get their heads out of their asses.
To me, THAT'S the real game changer.

added input lag is why you'll never see hall effect go mainstream.

 

[Sony]

But Xbox fans have been saying for a decade that AA batteries are far better than rechargeable internal batteries.

Is this no longer the case?

Best of both words is a rechargeable battery pack that you can remove. I use those for my Xbox controllers.

Built in batteries will decay over time like any other battery.

 

[kevboard]

But Xbox fans have been saying for a decade that AA batteries are far better than rechargeable internal batteries.

Is this no longer the case?

it is and always will be superior.

 

[kevboard]

added input lag is why you'll never see hall effect go mainstream.

some of the lowest input lag controllers on the market have hall effect sticks... what are you talking about?


-Series X controller stick latency (wired)
5.77ms average, 11.25ms max

-Dualsense stick latency (wired)
11.99ms average, 14.37 max

-Dualsense Edge stick latency (wired)
5.18ms average, 7.46ms max
(10.86ms/30.46ms on bluetooth)

-8bitdo Ultimate 2C stick latency (wired)
3.21ms average, 4.92ms max
(4.94ms/6.86ms Wifi-Dongle)

the 8bitdo has hall effect sticks, the others don't.
the Dualsense being really damn bad in this department as well. among the worst controllers out there unless you overclock it (which only works on PC of course).

even really shitty and cheap chinese brands with hall effect sticks have better latency than that usually.

controller latency is almost entirely dependent on a mix of polling rate and how the inputs are handled by its hardware (built in smoothing, or an awful wifi chip etc. will make it worse)

 

[bundylove]

Imagine turning off haptics in a game like Returnal

If you have to turn off Haptics in a game, that's on the developer for poor implementation.

I know right? Like honestly

 

[TheRaidenPT]

Hopefully they can put the Elite version out within 6 months or something

 

[PixelatedBeast]

It's not about former Xbox owners, it's about PS owners who also play games on PC. I have 3 Edges and still use the Elite significantly more because the Edge sucks dick on PC. And how retarded do you have to be to not be able to use both asymmetrical and symmetrical? Literally every other platform uses asymmetrical sticks, the only people who can't seem to adapt are PS only gamers.

Honestly, that sounds like a you problem. This isnt about Playstation only gamers not being able to adapt. They're perfectly fine with the Dualsense. Your claim that "Xbox is going to eat Playstations lunch" is a logical fallacy that ignores the fact that over 60% of Pc gamers already own an Xbox controller, and yet that still hasnt stopped the Dualsense from being the best selling this generation.

 

[hinch7]

I am a BIG fan of the back buttons, but I have to say that haptics are definitely NOT a gimmick. Useful? No. Fun and immersive? Yes. Much better than vibration? 200%

I say gimmick because it doesn't affect how people play games but what it does do is does absolutely destroy battery life. How many times have people complained about the DualSense's battery life?

I have multiple controllers and while haptics are nice, I can easily get by with some rumble. In fact, I find haptics can take my out of a game if implemented poorly.

 

[SweetTooth]

 

[Hohenheim]

Imagine turning off haptics in a game like Returnal

If you have to turn off Haptics in a game, that's on the developer for poor implementation.

Returnal and Astrobot are the only games where those gimmicks have been working in a cool way for me.
But replaying Returnal on PC with keyboard and mouse was of course a LOT better. Could never go back to that game on a controller now.

 

[Cyberpunkd]

But Xbox fans have been saying for a decade that AA batteries are far better than rechargeable internal batteries.

Is this no longer the case?

It never was, unless you want to kill the planet fast because that tactile feel of putting new batteries in…

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

But Xbox fans have been saying for a decade that AA batteries are far better than rechargeable internal batteries.

Is this no longer the case?

I think the zealots thought it was just something to hold onto as I doubt many will argue they want regular batteries back

Rechargeable removable and replaceable packs are the way to go

 

[diffusionx]

It’s crazy how outdated the Xbox controller is right now and I’m surprised it’s taken this long for them to catch up considering they release about 400 controller versions a year.

 

[RafterXL]

Honestly, that sounds like a you problem. This isnt about Playstation only gamers not being able to adapt. They're perfectly fine with the Dualsense. Your claim that "Xbox is going to eat Playstations lunch" is a logical fallacy that ignores the fact that over 60% of Pc gamers already own an Xbox controller, and yet that still hasnt stopped the Dualsense from being the best selling this generation.

Are you retarded? You literally just explained why the DS is the best selling controller. 60% users don't need a new controller because the DS is shit on PC. Now maybe if Sony supported their controller on PC more of those people would buy one.

And, no, it's not a me problem that none of the DS features work natively on PC.

 

[KuraiShidosha]

They'd be wise to. The Dualsense is a joy to use compared to SX Controller. Games that really take advantage of it enhance the experience so much.

I've been using a DualSense on PC since they first came out. Only recently did I start using it as a proper DS with games that have native support. Cyberpunk 2077 in particular. Those trigger resistance motors are ANNOYING. Driving is miserable with them feeling mushy and slow. Not to mention as the car shifts up and down, the triggers pop to change resistance. I unironically prefer the controller not do that. It adds nothing to the game other than making my fingers miserable.

 

[PixelatedBeast]

Are you retarded? You literally just explained why the DS is the best selling controller. 60% users don't need a new controller because the DS is shit on PC. Now maybe if Sony supported their controller on PC more of those people would buy one.

And, no, it's not a me problem that none of the DS features work natively on PC.

Are you retarded? Quit the ad hominem attacks buddy, no need to get emotional. You claim that Microsoft will eat Playstations lunch, correct? Well arent they already eating their lunch if 60% of Pc gamers already have an Xbox controller? That still hasnt stopped the Dualsense from becoming the best selling this generation, right? Well wouldnt that mean Playstion doesnt need to support Pc gaming if they already have the best selling controller? Native support isnt going to change the majority of Pc gamers preference from assymetrical controllers. They dont care for vibrations and Dulasense "gimmicks".

 

[EverydayBeast]

Series x controller is phenomenal, wasn’t crazy over the DualShock 4 or dualsense.

 

[kevboard]

Series x controller is phenomenal, wasn’t crazy over the DualShock 4 or dualsense.

that is true for ergonomics, but it does absolutely need a gyro and maybe 2 additional buttons, either bring back black and white from the og Xbox, or add 2 well placed paddles.

one of the actually good use cases of the PS4/5 touchpad is that it can be used as multiple buttons, either by dividing it into 2 buttons, or by using swipe gestures.
even that way to map the touchpad is rarely used tho because controls need to be somewhat standardized across platforms.

with the increasing complexity of controls these days, more buttons would be welcome I feel.

the SX controller has the superior sticks and the superior triggers (not talking features, simply the feel and shape), but the lacking features are slowly becoming an issue