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[Killer8]

Who to trust when it comes to putting a finger on the pulse of the Japanese gamer - some random Youtuber, or one of the greatest game developers of all time, Hideki Kamiya?

 

[adamsapple]

Who to trust when it comes to putting a finger on the pulse of the Japanese gamer - some random Youtuber, or one of the greatest game developers of all time, Hideki Kamiya?

 

[saintjules]

To be honest, I really thought it that way in the beginning, but when you play the game, you realize that the plot is very similar to the one in Shogun, Yasuke is basically a prisoner slave and Nobunaga likes him because he is strong, he sees a warrior in his eyes. That's why he becomes his ally and then a samurai. This happened with the movie The Last Samurai as well, but nobody complained about this because Tom Cruise is white. Honestly I believe there is a bit if racism involved in this situation even if its involuntary

So far I have not seen anything that screams DEI while playing the game. Yasuke is well integrated in the story in my opinion, otherwise I would've mentioned this somewhere here. I never bite my tongue when it comes to opinions

I think this goes to show that radicalism is always poisoning when it comes to politics. At first I was on board with people complaining about wokism because I could see that this is bad for games. But as a result of this, now any sign of DEI is already judged without giving it a chance and that leads to a situation where people might be unfair to certain games just because of appearances

And to be honest, right now I can see that the people that was against wokism they were just grifters because if you see their content, its all negativity and clickbait. There is no conversation or middle ground, just hatred. I dont want that for gaming either

Bad joke I guess I'll delete it

 

[Tams]

It seems that there was black samurai in feudal Japan. Same as it was quite common for samurai to be gay/bi.

Yasuke - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Now go look at the edit history of that Wiki page...

 

[The Chairman]

Who to trust when it comes to putting a finger on the pulse of the Japanese gamer - some random Youtuber, or one of the greatest game developers of all time, Hideki Kamiya?

A game industry dev who was once hired by a big Western gaming company doesn’t want to make enemies with another big Western gaming company so that automatically means the average Japanese gamer loves playing as a black gay samurai, and all those negative Japanese reviews don’t matter… because reasons.

lol you guys are coping so hard

 

[adamsapple]

you guys are coping so hard

 

[Gaiff]

A game industry dev who was once hired by a big Western gaming company doesn’t want to make enemies with another big Western gaming company so that automatically means the average Japanese gamer loves playing as a black gay samurai, and all those negative Japanese reviews don’t matter… because reasons.

lol you guys are coping so hard

He isn’t gay though. Not sure why anyone would have a problem playing as a black samurai. Well, I know one reason.

 

[The Chairman]

He isn’t gay though.

Nah bro, he’s just tongue-kissing his homie but he said ‘no homo,’ so it’s all good lmao

 

[Gaiff]

Nah bro, he’s just tongue-kissing his homie but he said ‘no homo,’ so it’s all good lmao

That’s a player choice.

 

[The Chairman]

That’s a player choice.

Yup, the player is the gay one here not my man Yasuke

 

[Gaiff]

Yup, the player is the gay one here not my man Yasuke

If you’re a man playing the game and actively pursue another man, I’d say it’s you who’s gay since the character is your avatar.

What’s next, commander Shepard is gay?

 

[Evil Calvin]

It's a game.

Shut up Japan!

 

[The Chairman]

If you’re a man playing the game and actively pursue another man, I’d say it’s you who’s gay since the character is your avatar.

What’s next, commander Shepard is gay?

I'm agreeing with you bro, why are you seething

 

[near]

Nah bro, he’s just tongue-kissing his homie but he said ‘no homo,’ so it’s all good lmao

 

[Gaiff]

I'm agreeing with you bro, why are you seething

Just saying the player is the gay one.

Probably what Yasuke feels like.

 

[MMaRsu]

Yup, the player is the gay one here not my man Yasuke

Another person that literally is too dumb I suppose to understand player choice in an rpg.

Stop being such an obtuse person. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself dude. Its beyond sad.

 

[bender]

If you’re a man playing the game and actively pursue another man, I’d say it’s you who’s gay since the character is your avatar.

What’s next, commander Shepard is gay?

What if you are a man playing as a female character and actively pursue a female character?

 

[MSduderino]

I'm agreeing with you bro, why are you seething

you've been disingenuous about this whole thing. The fake outrage of repping Japanese cultural sensitivity is such a grift.

 

[Killer8]

That’s a player choice.

"The Chairman closes his eyes, reaches for the lube, and flicks the forbidden 'canon mode' option to off...

Tonight, BBC is going to mean more than the British Broadcasting Corporation."

 

[The Chairman]

Just saying the player is the gay one.

Probably what Yasuke feels like.

Now that's funny, imagine Yasuke getting forced into kissing this dude and just standing there like, 'Bro… WTF, can you just play normal?

 

[The Chairman]

Tonight, BBC is going to mean more than the British Broadcasting Corporation."

Dude thinking about BBC 24/7 lmao

Bro stop watching porn all the time it will rot your brain

 

[adamsapple]

"The Chairman closes his eyes, reaches for the lube, and flicks the forbidden 'canon mode' option to off...

Tonight, BBC is going to mean more than the British Broadcasting Corporation."

 

[Gaiff]

Dude thinking about BBC 24/7 lmao

Bro stop watching porn all the time it will rot your brain

File named BBC2 on Killer8 computer.

Wow, didn’t know you still played Battlefield Bad Company 2.

Killer8: Yeah, hahaha, Battlefield Bad Company 2, that’s exactly what it is…

 

[The Chairman]

File named BBC2 on Killer8 computer.

Wow, didn’t know you still played Battlefield Bad Company 2.

Killer8: Yeah, hahaha, Battlefield Bad Company 2, that’s exactly what it is…

BBC2 because the BBC1 hard drive is getting full

 

[midasmulligan]

i mean, it's a bit *off* that you can take a countries icons force them into gay sex scenarios on the world stage in complete opposition with how they acted historically. Player choice and all that, but it's still kinda messed up. Two samurais banging/kissing/heavy petting on screen? I mean... Imagine doing that with other cultural icons, you can do it, but it's distasteful/disrespectful, no?

 

[MSduderino]

but it's distasteful/disrespectful, no?

Honestly, how so? It's just a video game. If you turn off canon mode, you are accepting that you will deviate from historical accuracy.

 

[The Chairman]

i mean, it's a bit *off* that you can take a countries icons force them into gay sex scenarios on the world stage in complete opposition with how they acted historically. Player choice and all that, but it's still kinda messed up. Two samurais banging/kissing/heavy petting on screen? I mean... Imagine doing that with other cultural icons, you can do it, but it's distasteful/disrespectful, no?

Imagine you are a great man who survived slavery and proven yourself as a great worrier in a foreign country to become the first black samurai and then after many years of being dead a French company depicts you as a dude that loves to get railed in the ass any chance he get to meet a non-binary Japanese samurai. extremely disrespectful

MSduderino he is a real man and not a fictional character, did Ubisoft ask him if he would be ok to be shown as a gay man?

 

[laynelane]

The man died doing what he loved, defending Ubisoft games.

One of the reasons I enjoy coming here is the occasional comment that will make me literally laugh out loud.

 

[laynelane]

Who to trust when it comes to putting a finger on the pulse of the Japanese gamer - some random Youtuber, or one of the greatest game developers of all time, Hideki Kamiya?

Japanese gamers aren't a monolith so I'll assume there are varying perspectives dependent upon the individual - ie. I'll trust common sense over one of the greatest game developers of all time and random Youtubers.

 

[midasmulligan]

Honestly, how so? It's just a video game. If you turn off canon mode, you are accepting that you will deviate from historical accuracy.

you honestly don't how it could appear disrespectful to take cultural icons and put them in compromising scenarios completely incongruent with their character? It's like taking Mickey/Minnie Mouse and putting them in a porno. Or Ghandi. Or Mother Teresa. Point is not whether the player can chose, it's not their culture. You're taking someone else's culture and portraying it in that manner. Some might find that offensive, particularly those that take pride in their history and culture.

 

[MMaRsu]

Ghandi

oh no, our culture

Also, about Mother Theresa?

Although she had 517 missions in 100 countries at the time of her death, the study found that hardly anyone who came seeking medical care found it there. Doctors observed unhygienic, "even unfit," conditions, inadequate food, and no painkillers -- not for lack of funding, in which Mother Theresa's world-famous order was swimming, but what the study authors call her "particular conception of suffering and death."

 

[adamsapple]

i mean, it's a bit *off* that you can take a countries icons force them into gay sex scenarios on the world stage in complete opposition with how they acted historically. Player choice and all that, but it's still kinda messed up. Two samurais banging/kissing/heavy petting on screen? I mean... Imagine doing that with other cultural icons, you can do it, but it's distasteful/disrespectful, no?

you honestly don't how it could appear disrespectful to take cultural icons and put them in compromising scenarios completely incongruent with their character? It's like taking Mickey/Minnie Mouse and putting them in a porno. Or Ghandi. Or Mother Teresa. Point is not whether the player can chose, it's not their culture. You're taking someone else's culture and portraying it in that manner. Some might find that offensive, particularly those that take pride in their history and culture.

Yeah man, how dare Ubisoft do that .. no other game would even think of doing something like that in a similar setting.. certainly not that one that came out very recently ..

 

[MSduderino]

you honestly don't how it could appear disrespectful to take cultural icons and put them in compromising scenarios completely incongruent with their character? It's like taking Mickey/Minnie Mouse and putting them in a porno. Or Ghandi. Or Mother Teresa. Point is not whether the player can chose, it's not their culture. You're taking someone else's culture and portraying it in that manner. Some might find that offensive, particularly those that take pride in their history and culture.

Seriously? Isn't this the type of pearl-clutching you are opposed to see from liberals about being sensitive towards DEI? Why make an exception here for Japanese sensitivities?

 

[midasmulligan]

Yeah man, how dare Ubisoft do that .. no other game would even think of doing something like that in a similar setting.. certainly not that one that came out very recently ..

didn't say they couldn't, didn't say they haven't Just noted that some that have high regard for their cultures might find it disrespectful. Certainly if you have no sense of culture or bask in irreverence, this may seem surprising to you.

 

[midasmulligan]

Seriously? Isn't this the type of pearl-clutching you are opposed to see from liberals about being sensitive towards DEI? Why make an exception here for Japanese sensitivities?

I don't have any skin in the game and don't particularly care about anyone else's culture. I just found it amusing that you have no idea how this could be disrespectful to someone who values their culture and icons.

 

[mayham2199]

didn't say they couldn't, didn't say they haven't Just noted that some that have high regard for their cultures might find it disrespectful. Certainly if you have no sense of culture or bask in irreverence, this may seem surprising to you.

Lots of people find different things disrespectful based on culture\religion. There world is to big for game developers to be worrying about well some certain section of the community find this disrespectful. They should make the game they want and let the community decide if they want to buy it or not.

 

[Chuck Berry]

Guys, just come out of the closet already. We're all family here.

 

[MSduderino]

didn't say they couldn't, didn't say they haven't Just noted that some that have high regard for their cultures might find it disrespectful. Certainly if you have no sense of culture or bask in irreverence, this may seem surprising to you.

We all understand why the shrine priests and what not feel ACS is disrespectful to Japan. We just don't think it matters and that a bunch of grifters like yourself are jumping in to defend them.

 

[bender]

Guys, just come out of the closet already. We're all family here.

 

[adamsapple]

Guys, just come out of the closet already. We're all family here.

 

[midasmulligan]

We all understand why the shrine priests and what not feel ACS is disrespectful to Japan. We just don't think it matters and that a bunch of grifters like yourself are jumping in to defend them.

Honestly, how so?

Ok

 

[MSduderino]

Ok

The shrine priests don't play video games, so I can see how they might find it disrespectful. I don't understand why a gamer on a gaming enthusiast forum against woke and dei practices finds it disrespectful to a culture they don't belong to.

 

[midasmulligan]

The shrine priests don't play video games, so I can see how they might find it disrespectful. I don't understand why a gamer on a gaming enthusiast forum against woke and dei practices finds it disrespectful to a culture they don't belong to.

Who’s this hypothetical gamer?

I don't have any skin in the game and don't particularly care about anyone else's culture. I just found it amusing that you have no idea how this could be disrespectful to someone who values their culture and icons.

 

[MSduderino]

Who’s this hypothetical gamer?

You also said,

but it's distasteful/disrespectful, no?

taking a stance on someone else's culture.

 

[VulcanRaven]

you honestly don't how it could appear disrespectful to take cultural icons and put them in compromising scenarios completely incongruent with their character? It's like taking Mickey/Minnie Mouse and putting them in a porno. Or Ghandi. Or Mother Teresa. Point is not whether the player can chose, it's not their culture. You're taking someone else's culture and portraying it in that manner. Some might find that offensive, particularly those that take pride in their history and culture.

Mickey is now in public domain so I'm sure that will happen. I doubt many will care.

 

[midasmulligan]

You also said,

taking a stance on someone else's culture.

lol, just take the L sir. You said you couldn’t imagine how this could be offensive to someone who values their culture. I showed you why it may be offending some in that culture. You realized that yes, it could be offensive to them, and admitted it.

No need to move the goal posts and suggest that I was the one claiming to be offended.

 

[Principal]

Then you dont seem to understand the concept of choice in an rpg.

Nah, he was cool with the fact that you fist fight the pope, plunder churches, desecrate Muslim villages, hell even kill Muslim leaders, but choosing to plunder a Japanese shrine is off limit. Hmmm...

 

[demigod]

Your tag makes sense.

 

[MSduderino]

You said you couldn’t imagine how this could be offensive to someone who values their culture.

Nah, fam. I said why is it disrespectful/distasteful to you.

 

[Principal]

As a guy from poland i fully understand my japanese bros, ubi devs aka french canadians still suffer from some kind of mental problems(white man guilt? serves them well for colonising half of africa) and they put in black protag in feudal japan, not some side character thats meaningless but protag that changes the history.
Its crazy disgrace and ubi deserves to be punished for it, game gonna perform well below expectactions.
To our american bros thinking how come- imagine Luke Cage in the middle of harlem being white ginger skinny effeminate dude instead of this one we got:


Think of it ubi making luke cage game, in the middle of harlem and he is played by mashinegun kelly:

Yasuke in traditional samurai armor looks extremly historically inacurate:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQPwf-TiEH5oit8AhPCdM9_cbtvdHBgUorswA&s

It looks just as artocious as black german soldiers in ww1, which battlefield1 did
Or black german nazi soldiers in ww2 that cod vanguard did, or female soldiers on the frontline(while we know it was only female sniper units on the soviet side, aka no close combat).

Wokeism, feminism and political correctness newer makes game better, for some its neutral, for most it makes games worse.

Cause Vikings had horns right? Right!? Female Spartans was a thing too right? Right!?