Assassin’s Creed: Shadows Day One Patch will make certain shrine objects indestructible and eliminate civilian NPC bloodshed
MMaRsu
Gold Member
There are three Portugese letters/Diaries linked in a post in that thread, with also a bunch of Japanese documentsas a portuguese speaker are you talking about these ?
should he do something, kill him. We were even more fearful because, after Nobunaga's death, the cafre that the Visitor Father, by his own choice, had left with Nobunaga went to the prince’s house and spent a long time there fighting. A servant of Akechi approached him and asked for his katana, telling him not to be afraid. The cafre handed it over, and another servant went to ask Akechi what should be done with him. Akechi replied: 'This cafre is a animal, knows nothing, and is not even Japanese. Do not kill him; just take him to the church of the priests from India.' This brought us some relief, especially when we saw the great mercy of the Lord in allowing Nobunaga’s brother-in-law to leave for Sakai a few days earlier, because, without a doubt, to save the brother-in-law, who was also to be killed, it would have been necessary to set fire to our- (church, maybe)
* Cafre mean black person
But yeah there are documents that back up some of the stories
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Saber
Newd Member
Wrong.
You can't fool me with this.
This is a direct response of the Japanese reaction against the controversy, which made them rethink their approach. They did not go for fantasy interpretation initially, it was stated on their site. Hence why is directly aimed at the japanese community.
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Lokaum D+
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so, can we agree, that by this piece, it seens that he was not respected by Akechi that was one of Odas generals ? that he wasn't even granted a samurai/warriors death after failing his lord ?
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StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Never played AC games.
Can you kill NPCs in other AC games. And if you can is there blood?
Just wondering if the lack of NPC blood is a Shadows thing only.
Can you kill NPCs in other AC games. And if you can is there blood?
Just wondering if the lack of NPC blood is a Shadows thing only.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No one's trying to fool you.
All AC games start with a disclaimer about it being a fictional story, from the first AC game all the way to the latest one (Mirage). Something like this:
If you choose to ignore it, that's entirely on you.
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Topher
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Saber
Newd Member
No one's trying to fool you.
All AC games start with a disclaimer about it being a fictional story, from the first AC game all the way to the latest one (Mirage). Something like this:
If you choose to ignore it, that's entirely on you.
You clearly are.
I ain't talkiing abou AC in general. Im talking about AC Shadow. They did this on purpose, they just retracted that because that would bring fight with the actual japanese folks.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Wrong.
I agree with UBI that end of the day it’s a fictional story wrapped in a video game.
Problem is when a company claims that but tries to install real stuff into it (the broken tower thing from the atomic bomb), and anyone nit picking inaccurate things in the game though UBI tries to be authentic in stuff then it kind of goes counter.
In an asmongold video he had a guy pick apart leaves since in real life it doesn’t make sense some of the trees bloom at the same time as others. That’s a very niche nit pick that isn’t even political so I don’t think anyone except that guy cares about accuracy of leaves and plants blooming.
But when it comes to more political or cultural stuff, that’s when people see it as UBI trying to replicate real life so it’s prime for criticism.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
Well one of the early "selling points" of the game were the seasonal changes throughout the experience, so someone pointing out inaccuracies of the foliage and falling leaves due to the time of season doesn't seem too nitpicky to me personally. Just more ignorance on Ubi's part.
Devils advocate, not trying to start a war here lol
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
You mean he wasn't respected by the guy who betrayed Nobunaga? No shit.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
I feel like Ubi lost the plot on Valhalla. Origins was great. Odyssey was good, especially if you are on PC and can mod out some of the merc stupidity and XP gain curve.
Valhalla though … just was not great. From the dumb plot to interpretation of Vikings as “kind of maybe good guys” in England to really terrible itemization to too much supernatural crap in main game. And the game itself was even more meandering than Odyssey.
MiguelItUp
Member
Are there people that think that the Assassin's Creed games were intended to be historically and factually accurate? I mean, of course they want things to at least look like they fit that period, but I never thought things were reflecting historical facts.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
We're all talking about AC games, which have all been fictional stories set in period appropriate worlds. The pope, reportedly, didn't have a fist fight with an assassin in the Vatican either as far as I know.
Even in the announcement blog on Ubi's website, it clearly says that the ambiguity in Yosuke's story allows them to be creative, they never said they intend it to be a retelling of real world events.
It's fiction. Treat it like fiction.
You're not talking about AC, you're talking about AC.
Every AC is historical fiction.
I .. don't understand why *this* one has become such a sticking point for some folks, lol.
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Reizo Ryuu
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MikeM
Member
Tifa mod?
Fake
Member
Wrong.
This was a responce to that stupid allegation about 'all japanese folks whinning about AC are actually american alt-wing smurf accounts using google translator to be fake japanese'
How Assassin’s Creed Shadows Will Blend Two Distinct Adventures in One - Xbox Wire
We interviewed the Game Director of Assassin's Creed Shadows to discover more about its dual protagonists, how it continues the RPG systems of previous games, and that long-awaited Japanese setting.news.xbox.com
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There's stupid discourse on multiple fronts, whoda thunk.
Oda Nobunaga has been in many games before.
Nothing new here.
Fake
Member
I guess you are missing the entire point, but thats OK.
Lokaum D+
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wait, but he is a samurai remember ? normally samurais commit seppuku when they fail their lords or are captured by the enemy, as far as i know, in wars or coups, is pretty unusual to the enemy let someone important as a Samurai just leave as someone of no importance, but maybe Akechi was bff with Yasuke too and didnt wanted to kill his friend or maybe, just maybe by this HISTORICAL LETTER, he wasnt considered that much of a samurai by the other Japanese ppl around Oda, such racists right ?
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Saber
Newd Member
You're not talking about AC, you're talking about AC.
Every AC is historical fiction.
I'm talking specifically about Assassin Creed Shadows.
Why not AC in general? Because Shadows was the first bold move of them to actually using real character as a main character instead of using fictional ones.
Theres a clear difference between using fictional characters in conjuction with real ones in a fantasy rather than stating this is all hystorically accurate. And no, the site as I said was updated because of the controversy regarding the japanese community criticism, they didn't plan this at the start. Those statements all changed.
You don't understand probably because you don't care. Thats ok though but I wouldn't throw cold water on the actual people who got mad about (japaneses).
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No I'm fairly sure I understand the point. I just don't agree with it.
Nothing here is any different than any previous AC games.
The unique outrage for this specific case is the baffling part.
1. They never said it's historically accurate. None of the AC games have been.
2. Previous AC games have also used real characters in conjunction with fictional ones. Nothing new here.
3. The text of the blog I linked is *EXACTLY* the same as the day it was posted. No editing has been made.
You can see the archived version from the day it was posted here.
It seems like you're just being angry at the game because some YouTuber you subscribe to told you to be angry at the game. Is that it?
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
...it literally doesn't matter, it's still historical fiction; just because da vinci wasn't "the main character" in AC2 doesn't mean he was actually the Q gadget master for a secret assassin organisation as AC makes him out to be.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
You're blaming gamers for complaining, instead of the devs for the game's numerous issues? sheesh...
StereoVsn
Gold Member
I think the definitive version was when Oda Nobunaga was an anime girl. I am sure there was more than one such production out of glorious Nippon.
CompleteGlobalSaturation
Member
I personally believe in mutual respect so I am not disappointed at this decision.
Saber
Newd Member
Yes they said, they stated on their website before they edited after the events with the japanese community. I'm not talking about all AC, I already made that point very clear.
You can use all the tatics about angry or whatever. I'm more like the person who respect other countries cultures and believe in mutual respect. Its ok if you don't.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think the definitive version was when Oda Nobunaga was an anime girl. I am sure there was more than one such production out of glorious Nippon.
Find me an archived version or any source that shows that they explicitly cited AC Shadows as being historically accurate to its character's depictions.
I have shown you multiple sources where they said the opposite.
Your turn.
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
I mean I assume Nobunaga is wearing historical Japanese armor there. Looks legit!
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
And the seppuku part would be a counter argument as I mentioned in the post before:
It’s uncertain. Heavy evidence suggests he was, but there’s also some other things implying he wasn’t.
Evidence suggesting that he wasn't:
- He was a foreigner
- He did not commit seppuku, but was instead sent away
- He did not have a last name
Evidence suggesting that he was:
- He was given a sword
- He was given a stipend
- He was given a house
- Locals thought he would be made a lord
- He fought alongside Nobunaga's son
- He was a kosho, ostensibly serving as a weapons bearer
- He was at Nobunaga's side during an inspection
- One particular incident mentions Nobunaga dismissing his "regular" soldiers, but Yasuke remained alongside him
Note that none of that definitely confirms or refutes the notion. For instance, samurai having a mononym aren't unheard of (I'll need to look this up more).
When I said that it was debatable, you went, lolno, and proceeded to accuse me of saying he was a superhero and used Thomas Lockley's credibility as a counter argument when I didn't even bring him up.
Idleyes
Gold Member
And said day one mod will feature an exceptionally accurate depiction of the shrine, down to minor details that change daily, such as the arrangement of offerings & the position of ema plaques.
Lokaum D+
Member
dont need to argue, i already agreed with you, i m 100% team Yasuke samurai now, i was just hypothetically speaking, everyone know his importance through japan history, didnt ppl watched Afro Samurai ?
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Saber
Newd Member
I would have to stop everything I'm doing to provide you a part of the advertizing stating that.
What you show me btw was after the controversy heated things up though.
fart town usa
Member
It's clear that the white knights are not arguing in good faith.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes, if you want others to agree with your point, you should provide a source to back it up.
Crazy idea, I know.
Reizo Ryuu
Gold Member
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
What are you talking about? Why would they do that? They made a good game.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Does this mean that a GTA Japan setting will never ever happen?
Zathalus
Member
He wasn't all that important to Japanese history. But he was noteworthy enough to be named and have multiple sources and potential depictions about him, which is more than every other Assassin's Creed protagonist, none of which actually existed.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
So why make a game about an area of the world that you don't live in and about a culture you care nothing about?
Grizzled Ghost
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StereoVsn
Gold Member
We almost had that game in Sleeping Dogs. God damn Square
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GudOlRub
Member
I never saw AC games as being historically accurate but I've always seen them as being somewhat set in reality and being all about peaking the players' curiosity about the real stuff.
Like, when I played the Ezio trilogy I felt like looking up for the real Medici and Borgia family history, or when I played Black Flag it made me go search for the real history of Blackbeard and Nassau.
But this whole Yasuke controversy just makes me feel tired instead...
Like, when I played the Ezio trilogy I felt like looking up for the real Medici and Borgia family history, or when I played Black Flag it made me go search for the real history of Blackbeard and Nassau.
But this whole Yasuke controversy just makes me feel tired instead...
