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Additional context via Luminoth:

Retro Sales Age Thread

I agree, and the 10,000 unit differences are easy enough to explain various ways, but -80,000 in Japan and +90,000 in Europe are weird, those are larger changes... I'd think consolidated vs. non-consolidated could only decrease sales, not increase them, and that since Japan is the home region it...

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From this retro sales thread the Original Xbox was at 2.14 million in the UK at the end of 2005, on a 2006 retro thread Xbox sales were 70k so 2.21 million Lifetime.

Nintendo 3DS gaming devices: unit sales UK 2011-2019 | Statista

This statistic displays unit sales of the Nintendo 3DS and DS in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019.

www.statista.com

By the end of 2019 Statista had Lifetime 3DS Sales in the UK at just over 3.9 million.

2011: 947k
2012: 657k
2013: 706k
2014: 516k
2015: 422k
2016: 376k
2017: 251k
2018: 122k
2019: 192k

total: 3938k

The 3DS was discontinued worldwide in September 2020 so 2020 sales would have been really low and not added much to the total.

From the Information we know that XBS is probably around 2.3 million and the PS5 is probably in the 3.6 to 3.8 million range considering it is "closing in" which could mean 100k behind or maybe 300k behind.

 

[jm89]

One of those is not as good as the other.

 

[StealthGoblin]

I guess that first statement was put in there for the interest of balance.

 

[Horseganador]

What numbers would we be talking about?

 

[Mr Hyde]

Go Xbox!

 

[NickFire]

It was about 3 years and 8 months between OG Xbox and 360 launch dates in Europe I think. So the Series line sold the same amount in 7 less months if I understand the claim correctly.

 

[Krieger]

How about some actual numbers instead of this cryptic rosetta stone bullshit.

 

[yazenov]

How about we get some relevant data such as how PS5 sales is compared to PS4 launch aligned and Xbox X/S compared to Xbox One.

 

[Pelta88]

GFK finding unique ways of telling its readers that the XB Series is selling below the XB1.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Retro Sales Age Thread

I agree, and the 10,000 unit differences are easy enough to explain various ways, but -80,000 in Japan and +90,000 in Europe are weird, those are larger changes... I'd think consolidated vs. non-consolidated could only decrease sales, not increase them, and that since Japan is the home region it...

www.neogaf.com

From this retro sales thread the Original Xbox was at 2.14 million in the UK at the end of 2005, on a 2006 retro sales thread Xbox sales were 70k so 2.21 million Lifetime.

 

[T_T]

Retro Sales Age Thread

I agree, and the 10,000 unit differences are easy enough to explain various ways, but -80,000 in Japan and +90,000 in Europe are weird, those are larger changes... I'd think consolidated vs. non-consolidated could only decrease sales, not increase them, and that since Japan is the home region it...

www.neogaf.com

From this retro sales thread the Original Xbox was at 2.14 million in the UK at the end of 2005, So Xbox probably 2.3 million LTD.

Thanks for this. We also know that Series reached 2 million sales this past May

Xbox Series S and X hit 2m sales in the UK, 12 weeks faster than Nintendo Switch

Microsoft hit two million sales of Xbox Series S and X after 128 weeks

www.gamesindustry.biz

300,000 from May to December, including E3, Starfield, Forza and Black Friday is pretty bad, even more so being their #2 biggest market.

 

[adamsapple]

The 'collapse' is over

 

[The Last One]

The 'collapse' is over

It's over now that it finally sold more than the highly successful Xbox OG.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

Nintendo 3DS gaming devices: unit sales UK 2011-2019 | Statista

This statistic displays unit sales of the Nintendo 3DS and DS in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019.

www.statista.com

By the end of 2019 Statista had Lifetime 3DS Sales in the UK at just over 3.9 million.

2011: 947k
2012: 657k
2013: 706k
2014: 516k
2015: 422k
2016: 376k
2017: 251k
2018: 122k
2019: 192k

total: 3938k

The 3DS was discontinued worldwide in September 2020 so 2020 sales would have been really low and not added much to the total.

From the Information we know that XBS is probably around 2.3 million and the PS5 is probably in the 3.6 to 3.8 million range considering it is "closing in" which could mean 100k behind or maybe 300k behind.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

WoW. congrats to Phil and whatever.

 

[Ronin_7]

Nintendo 3DS gaming devices: unit sales UK 2011-2019 | Statista

This statistic displays unit sales of the Nintendo 3DS and DS in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019.

www.statista.com

By the end of 2019 Statista had Lifetime 3DS Sales in the UK at just over 3.9 million.

2011: 947k
2012: 657k
2013: 706k
2014: 516k
2015: 422k
2016: 376k
2017: 251k
2018: 122k
2019: 192k

total: 3938k

PlayStation 5 will probably end the year at 4M+.

 

[GHG]

The 'collapse' is over

That IQ thread was correct after all.

 

[MrA]

So the Xbox one is a bit ahead of a middling success console and ps5 is equal to a modestly successful console in half the time? How about some black friday data instead

 

[Mownoc]

The original Xbox sold 24m lifetime globally and the Xbox Series is estimated to be at around 24m now so it makes sense.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

PlayStation 5 will probably end the year at 4M+.

December will be huge for PS5, so it probably will.

 

[Alebrije]

That generic tweet/X says nothing..is good , is bad for Microsoft?

Guessing the Sony one is good

 

[Heisenberg007]

The 'collapse' is over

Pfft. Sales don't matter. Show me engagement. /s

 

[Heisenberg007]

Nintendo 3DS gaming devices: unit sales UK 2011-2019 | Statista

This statistic displays unit sales of the Nintendo 3DS and DS in the United Kingdom from 2011 to 2019.

www.statista.com

By the end of 2019 Statista had Lifetime 3DS Sales in the UK at just over 3.9 million.

2011: 947k
2012: 657k
2013: 706k
2014: 516k
2015: 422k
2016: 376k
2017: 251k
2018: 122k
2019: 192k

total: 3938k

The 3DS was discontinued worldwide in September 2020 so 2020 sales would have been really low and not added much to the total.

From the Information we know that XBS is probably around 2.3 million and the PS5 is probably in the 3.6 to 3.8 million range considering it is "closing in" which could mean 100k behind or maybe 300k behind.

This is very helpful!

So it seems like PS5 is outselling Xbox Series X and S by a ratio of approximately 62:38 in the UK now.

That is significantly up from the previous generation when the ratio used to be 57:43. Even up until March 2023, this ratio was only 56:44.



It seems like XBS sales have completely dropped off the cliff since March 2023 for the total ratio to go as high 62:38. These past 8 months must have had a ratio of 75:25 for the average to move up this fast. And the Holiday sales are coming!

P.S. Thick Thighs Save Lives - worth adding this information and Luminoth-4545 's data on both PS5's and Xbox's estimates in the OP for additional context and an overall better thread.

 

[Thirty7ven]

Damn so they only needed three years to do what it took the wildly successful OG Xbox *checks notes* three and a half years.

 

[StealthGoblin]

Week

Thanks for this. We also know that Series reached 2 million sales this past May

Xbox Series S and X hit 2m sales in the UK, 12 weeks faster than Nintendo Switch

Microsoft hit two million sales of Xbox Series S and X after 128 weeks

www.gamesindustry.biz

300,000 from May to December, including E3, Starfield, Forza and Black Friday is pretty bad, even more so being their #2 biggest market.

Surely there's a mistake somewhere along the line in there.

If that is all accurate then it's even worse than I thought.

What were 3ds and 2DS numbers?

 

[Mownoc]

Damn so they only needed three years to do what it took the wildly successful OG Xbox *checks notes* three and a half years.

Yep. Sales of the Xbox Series in the UK aren't that much faster than the Original Xbox when you remember how short a life the original had. Launched in March 2002 in Europe and was replaced by the 360 in December 2005.

 

[Crayon]

Well you have to remember an og Xbox is a lot bigger than a 3ds to get the proper context. So volumetricly they are doing great.

 

[onQ123]

Damn so they only needed three years to do what it took the wildly successful OG Xbox *checks notes* three and a half years.

Ask any analyst , any real analyst it doesn't matter if you win by a day or 6 months a win is a win.

 

[Thick Thighs Save Lives]

This is very helpful!

So it seems like PS5 is outselling Xbox Series X and S by a ratio of approximately 62:38 in the UK now.

That is significantly up from the previous generation when the ratio used to be 57:43. Even up until March 2023, this ratio was only 56:44.



It seems like XBS sales have completely dropped off the cliff since March 2023 for the total ratio to go as high 62:38. These past 8 months must have had a ratio of 75:25 for the average to move up this fast. And the Holiday sales are coming!

P.S. Thick Thighs Save Lives - worth adding this information and Luminoth-4545 's data on both PS5's and Xbox's estimates in the OP for additional context and an overall better thread.

Wish there was some sort of threadmark system here on GAF because I'm not comfortable with adding guesstimates an/or inferred data to the OP. Additionally, all the information can be found on the first page of the thread anyway, so people should allow themselves 1-2 minutes to skim through it and find the additional info.

That said, I will add the 2 Luminoth posts you've linked to the OP. As for yours, if it's an important matter, do reach out to a mod and then they can edit my OP with the info they see fit.

 

[Crayon]

Ask any analyst , any real analyst it doesn't matter if you win by a day or 6 months a win is a win.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Wish there was some sort of threadmark system here on GAF because I'm not comfortable with adding guesstimates an/or inferred data to the OP. Additionally, all the information can be found on the first page of the thread anyway, so people should allow themselves 1-2 minutes to skim through it and find the additional info.

That said, I will add the 2 Luminoth posts you've linked to the OP. As for yours, if it's an important matter, do reach out to a mod and then they can edit my OP with the info they see fit.

That's no problem.

By the way, the 62:38 ratio isn't a guess per se. I just converted the past official data (which Luminoth shared) into market share, arithmetically to calculate those ratios, as we already have Chris Dring's ratios (the tweet) as a reference point.

The ~75:25 was my only estimate.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

This is akin to saying that the Switch 2 has overtaken the sales of the Wii U as if that's an impressive milestone.

Chris Dringbat does it again with the spin

 

[DavidGzz]

It's always wild to me how low Xbox Original sales were when my life consisted of nothing but Halo Lan parties for that whole generation. I guess there were a lot of people mooching back then.

 

[mckmas8808]

Reason number 25 as to why Phil needs to be fired.

 

[DenchDeckard]

How is it doing vs xbox one and 360?

It needs to be ahead of xbox one, if it's not...its failing. If its ahead, its a win.

 

[MrTired]

How is it doing vs xbox one and 360?

It needs to be ahead of xbox one, if it's not...its failing. If its ahead, its a win.

It's fallen behind the Xbox one, actually I believe the Xbox Series consoles haven't been infront of the Xbox One consoles at any point in the generation in the UK.

 

[Heisenberg007]

It's fallen behind the Xbox one, actually I believe the Xbox Series consoles haven't been infront of the Xbox One consoles at any point in the generation in the UK.

XBS was ahead of Xbox One until early-to-mid 2022, but then fell behind, and the gap keeps increasing now.

 

[ShadowkillXNA]

One of those is not as good as the other.

 

[Nothing1234]

How is it doing vs xbox one and 360?

It needs to be ahead of xbox one, if it's not...its failing. If its ahead, its a win.

Xbox 360 sold 9.63m in the UK, Original Xbox did 2.21m. Its a massive gap.

 

[Duchess]

Good lord, that means that the number of Xbox Series X owners in the UK is absolutely minuscule.

 

[DenchDeckard]

It's fallen behind the Xbox one, actually I believe the Xbox Series consoles haven't been infront of the Xbox One consoles at any point in the generation in the UK.

That's shockingly bad for them. Brilliant hardware, squandered with a mediocre big tentpole release schedule has ruined them this generation. They should be ashamed of themselves.

 

[Astray]

One of the worst things is when people in the know post gaming sales numbers like it's a Alan Wake 2 box puzzle, and we all have to figure it out on our own for some reason.

Either give the actual number or don't.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Xbox 360 sold 9.63m in the UK, Original Xbox did 2.21m. Its a massive gap.

In defense of OG Xbox, it was new to the market and had to compete with PS2, the #1 best-selling console of all time.

 

[Panajev2001a]

That's shockingly bad for them. Brilliant hardware, squandered with a mediocre big tentpole release schedule has ruined them this generation. They should be ashamed of themselves.

The XSX is, but the way they designed it is very expensive to manufacture apparently and contended with xCloud blades which means further reduced supply. The XSS on the other hand… anyways…

If the rumors about manufacturing costs are correct, there is factual evidence that the best design this generation is still PS5 (holistically).

 

[mckmas8808]

Xbox 360 sold 9.63m in the UK, Original Xbox did 2.21m. Its a massive gap.

That's nuts!!! Wow! What did the Xbox One do in the U.K.?

That's shockingly bad for them. Brilliant hardware, squandered with a mediocre big tentpole release schedule has ruined them this generation. They should be ashamed of themselves.

It's also a factor of Xbox's strategy. Day one games on PC and Gamepass will hurt.

 

[Luminoth-4545]

That's nuts!!! Wow! What did the Xbox One do in the U.K.?



It's also a factor of Xbox's strategy. Day one games on PC and Gamepass will hurt.

6 million was the last update we got, this was near the end of it's life so probably around 6.1 or 6.2 million.

 

[VitoNotVito]

It was about 3 years and 8 months between OG Xbox and 360 launch dates in Europe I think. So the Series line sold the same amount in 7 less months if I understand the claim correctly.

You are correct. Not an amazing achievement though...

 

[Horseganador]

So it would be almost a 2:1 in favor of PS5 in the UK.

 

[DenchDeckard]

The XSX is, but the way they designed it is very expensive to manufacture apparently and contended with xCloud blades which means further reduced supply. The XSS on the other hand… anyways…

If the rumors about manufacturing costs are correct, there is factual evidence that the best design this generation is still PS5 (holistically).

Yup, i think SOny have made strides to decrease the cost of manufacturing the PS5. THe launch system was obviously expensive but they have come a long way.

I think the main issue with PS5 is its original packaging size and weight so its shipping costs worldwide would be more I imagine. that doesnt affect the BOM though.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Yup, i think SOny have made strides to decrease the cost of manufacturing the PS5. THe launch system was obviously expensive but they have come a long way.

I think the main issue with PS5 is its original packaging size and weight so its shipping costs worldwide would be more I imagine. that doesnt affect the BOM though.

I think the original system was still cheaper to manufacture and easier to make cheaper (proof is in the pudding ). Good point about packaging, but now that they know demand is there they could move bigger batches by ship instead of by plane… massive cost savings and now they can also make smaller boxes. I think it is the volume that would make the most difference.