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[ChiefDada]

With a new console incoming next month in the PlayStation 5 Pro, Capcom have ensured they have something to show off on it. Earlier this week they dropped s new patch, complete with new menu names for Dragons Dogma 2 graphics modes on Consoles. I was keen to test it out across PS5 and PC and compare the visual quality and performance to the PS5 Pro version. What does this patch change over the names? how well does it run on PC? and is the PS5 Pro already delivering above expectations.


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TLDR: PS5 Pro has better IQ and 33% performance edge than "similarly spec PC" (6800/5600x) in CPU bound areas

 

[Mr Moose]

Really a what? Don't keep me in suspense.

 

[nial]

a what?

 

[Bojji]

Really a what? Don't keep me in suspense.

 

[Darkkahn]

What a?

 

[ChiefDada]

 

[cormack12]

Aside my supporters on Patreon and the decreasing revenue from YouTube I also fund everything myself.

I thought he got a job with IGN?

 

[blastprocessor]

What you say engine is still rough as a badgers bottom?

 

[Mr Moose]

I thought he got a job with IGN?

 

[Kangx]

Damn. Day and night between the pro and the base ps5 image quality, graphic and run a lot better

 

[RavageX]

What's this?

If it isn't about new game content I'm not interested.

 

[kevboard]

TLDR: PS5 Pro has better IQ and 33% performance edge than "similarly spec PC" (6800/5600x) in CPU bound areas

japanese game has bad PC port. more news at 11

 

[Zathalus]

That’s a pretty bad PC to use for a comparable point. It’s the overclocked 2070 fiasco all over again.

 

[adamsapple]

What a great

 

[StreetsofBeige]

 

[LectureMaster]

Really a what? Don't keep me in suspense.

a what?

Way to keep maximum engagement, baby.

Joke aside, this is great, DD2, FF7R and Wukong are the top three that really need the power of a Pro.

 

[rodrigolfp]

That’s a pretty bad PC to use for a comparable point. It’s the overclocked 2070 fiasco all over again.

Does he need a loan?

 

[HerjansEagleFeeder]

What a?

 

[MisterXDTV]

TLDR: PS5 Pro has better IQ and 33% performance edge than "similarly spec PC" (6800/5600x) in CPU bound areas

 

[Kazdi]

Better image quality, graphics and 20 fps extra. I'll take it.

 

[Fortress of Regrets]

So, is it a?

 

[Gaiff]

What a?

Damn, I think they finally got ChiefDada right as he posted this. I hope he's okay.

 

[Dorfdad]

I like the 60% better than base ps5 line myself. I am excited but all you skeptics who think you know but don't keep hating on real results.

You look at specs alone which doesn’t tell you the full story anymore. You have to take the entire pipeline and development api into consideration.

I believe the ps5 Pro will eventually maintain and even larger set of improvements as people really get to understand how to work better.

 

[Self_Destructive]

So he says it has better IQ while providing 33% better performance....in CPU bound areas...

...so take the graphics off interlaced mode and improve the IQ.... The GPU is sitting around waiting


And all he's going on is Sony's b-roll which for all we know may already be on a different build from this patch that just released.

What a useless video... and not to mention like I said... PS5 Pro with PSSR definitely has lower settings. He's not getting anything to match up.

 

[MisterXDTV]

I like the 60% better than base ps5 line myself. I am excited but all you skeptics who think you know but don't keep hating on real results.

You look at specs alone which doesn’t tell you the full story anymore. You have to take the entire pipeline and development api into consideration.

I believe the ps5 Pro will eventually maintain and even larger set of improvements as people really get to understand how to work better.

That was exactly my point...

Some experts here have been saying that the CPU is too weak in CPU bound scenarios....

LOL

It's going to be debunked badly

 

[Boss Mog]

PSSR is the real deal it seems, never underestimate Cerny.

If R* manages to create a 60fps mode for GTA6 on Pro, I will really enjoy watching all the people who said it was impossible eat crow.

 

[Dorfdad]

That was exactly my point...

Some experts here have been saying that the CPU is too weak in CPU bound scenarios....

LOL

It's going to be debunked badly

yeah wasn't on you sorry if it came off like that, just that we get posters saying this and that comparing stuff. It is not apples to apples anymore, you can get an IDEA sure but proof is in the developers hands. Some developers will do a shit job and we will say PSSR sucks while others will perform magic with it.

 

[Esca]

GTFO of here with your clickbait title bullshit

 

[Bojji]

That was exactly my point...

Some experts here have been saying that the CPU is too weak in CPU bound scenarios....

LOL

It's going to be debunked badly

CPU limited games will still be CPU limited on Pro, just 10% less. This is how our physical world works, both consoles have the same CPU.

Unless they are coded differently, for example PS5 version may be calculating BVH on CPU while Pro is doing that on GPU, it's possible but we don't have any proof to something like that so far.

 

[SweetTooth]

TLDR: PS5 Pro has better IQ and 33% performance edge than "similarly spec PC" (6800/5600x) in CPU bound areas

Fantastic

People need to understand that developing for a closed system (consoles) can remove a lot of obstacles and the lower level access can improve performance big time.

 

[Radical_3d]

GTFO of here with your clickbait title bullshit

Esc a? Esc a what? You’re not any better!

 

[Sooner]

OP went full Supran

 

[SweetTooth]

That was exactly my point...

Some experts here have been saying that the CPU is too weak in CPU bound scenarios....

LOL

It's going to be debunked badly

Well, some of the experts here never left their mom's basement! its truly on you taking their word vs somone who actually knows what he is doing (Cerny).

Always bet on the Cerny

 

[Physiognomonics]

TLDR: PS5 Pro has better IQ and 33% performance edge than "similarly spec PC" (6800/5600x) in CPU bound areas

It's only the beginning. Just be ready for the PS5 Pro to regularly compete against 4070 and 4070 super. And this is what happen when you dont use a 4090 combined with a $1000 CPU to create a CPU narrative.

Good reminder that DF carefully didn't compare performance with their Ratchet and Clank DLSS vs PSSR analysis and "They need to see more PSSR titles" as in "we need to compare performance using the worst cases, this game runs too good on PS5 Pro".

 

[Lagspike_exe]

Pro vs. Amateur IQ and FPS difference looks like comparing a PS4 Pro game vs. PS3 game using quincunx anti-aliasing.

 

[FireFly]

Good reminder that DF carefully didn't compare performance with their Ratchet and Clank DLSS vs PSSR analysis and "They need to see more PSSR titles" as in "we need to compare performance using the worst cases, this game runs too good on PS5 Pro".

How do you "compare performance" from a mode that is locked to 60 FPS?

 

[ap_puff]

CPU limited games will still be CPU limited on Pro, just 10% less. This is how our physical world works, both consoles have the same CPU.

Unless they are coded differently, for example PS5 version may be calculating BVH on CPU while Pro is doing that on GPU, it's possible but we don't have any proof to something like that so far.

It really depends what's causing a cpu bind. 10% higher mhz doesn't translate into 10% more performance. For example if they didn't improve memory latency then a cpu bottleneck caused by cache misses might have a 0% performance improvement, and a cpu bottleneck caused by RT instructions might have a much larger improvement than 10% if there's separate hardware handling stuff like bvh construction. We really don't know how things will turn out in every game, just like how the larger cache on X3D chips don't give a 15% improvement in every game... Some games get very little improvement and some gain like 100%

 

[Bojji]

It really depends what's causing a cpu bind. 10% higher mhz doesn't translate into 10% more performance. For example if they didn't improve memory latency then a cpu bottleneck caused by cache misses might have a 0% performance improvement, and a cpu bottleneck caused by RT instructions might have a much larger improvement than 10% if there's separate hardware handling stuff like bvh construction. We really don't know how things will turn out in every game, just like how the larger cache on X3D chips don't give a 15% improvement in every game... Some games get very little improvement and some gain like 100%

Yeah that 10% was in my post as theoretical maximum, Zen 2 scaled very poorly with CPU clock.

 

[Gaiff]

CPU limited games will still be CPU limited on Pro, just 10% less. This is how our physical world works, both consoles have the same CPU.

Unless they are coded differently, for example PS5 version may be calculating BVH on CPU while Pro is doing that on GPU, it's possible but we don't have any proof to something like that so far.

Well, there is the bandwidth issue, isn't there? If the PS5 was bandwidth-bound on the CPU, that 28% extra bandwidth on the Pro might help more than just 10%. It could be 10%+whatever extra amount the higher bandwidth provides. Could it be what we're looking at here?

 

[ap_puff]

Well, there is the bandwidth issue, isn't there? If the PS5 was bandwidth-bound on the CPU, that 28% extra bandwidth on the Pro might help more than just 10%. It could be 10%+whatever extra amount the higher bandwidth provides. Could it be what we're looking at here?

Yeah, zen2 scaled a lot with memory bandwidth so having 28% more bandwidth could be a huge buff.

 

[Bojji]

Well, there is the bandwidth issue, isn't there? If the PS5 was bandwidth-bound on the CPU, that 28% extra bandwidth on the Pro might help more than just 10%. It could be 10%+whatever extra amount the higher bandwidth provides. Could it be what we're looking at here?

Yeah, zen2 scaled a lot with memory bandwidth so having 28% more bandwidth could be a huge buff.

Do we know how sliced GDDR6 bandwidth is between CPU and GPU? What are the limits? Or there aren't any?

RAM overclocking on CPU was also about lowering latency and GDDR6 has much higher latency than DDR4. Z2 was also limited by infinity fabric speed to ~3600MHz DDR4 speed, how that translates to much faster GDDR6? I have no idea.

 

[DavidGzz]

Version with no mods is useless to me unfortunately. Give me Nexus mods on console.

 

[Sleepwalker]

Very interesting and could be a

 

[CloudShiner]

PSSR is the real deal it seems, never underestimate Cerny.

If R* manages to create a 60fps mode for GTA6 on Pro, I will really enjoy watching all the people who said it was impossible eat crow.

Yep, DF are already choking on it.

 

[Kings Field]

Gonna have to do another playthrough on the pro. Wish they’d unlock the frame rate on PS for DD1.

 

[Zacfoldor]

Yes! The pro rises. Cannot WAIT!

 

[lh032]

PCMR are not going to like this

 

[Calico345]

Did we ever find out if this is really a

I need to know!

 

[DavidGzz]

This patch made the PC version better too. Raytracing, 4k, 90fps, and I have 30+ mods installed including custom difficulty that is a god send for this game. I hope the console version gets more QoL changes because subsequent playthroughs are a chore without them.

 

[Three]

Well, there is the bandwidth issue, isn't there? If the PS5 was bandwidth-bound on the CPU, that 28% extra bandwidth on the Pro might help more than just 10%. It could be 10%+whatever extra amount the higher bandwidth provides. Could it be what we're looking at here?

I think optimisation and performance profiles are a lot more involved on console than people think. People tend to think of it too much like a PC and get too hung up on single components and its bottlenecks when it is a far more delicate balance to frametime on console. Cerny did a talk about optimising to power consumption/power budgets on console on base PS5.