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[Boss Mog]

Would AC:S still be called woke/DEI/pandering if Yasuke was replaced with Nathan Algren?

If he's the hero then it wouldn't be considered woke, since the woke hate white people and don't want any positive representation for them (even though most woke people are white). Having a white character can be woke if that character is evil though, like that new Netflix show Adolescence where they race-swaped a white kid to play a murderer who killed his classmate when in the real-life story it's based on, the murderer was a black kid.

 

[The Chairman]

I tried again and again, I still can't find the part where the PM is talking about Ubisoft. Mission failed, bro


I've been trying to tell him the same for a while now, lol. He's deliberately obtuse.

I dont care what your damn reply is. Post the timestamp where you say the JPN PM is talking about UBI.

This is what was asked of the PM immediately before his response (using the video translation since you're so keen on using grifters as sources):

"So, Prime Minister Ishiba, I'd like to ask you: With games, social media, and all that, when people disregard other cultures or cause tourism-related trouble, what's your view on it?"

to which he responds:

"I'd want to sit down with the Economy Ministry, Education Ministry, and Foreign Ministry to figure it out. But graffiti on shrines? That's completely out of line. It's that simple. To me, it's an insult to the country - plain and simple. That's where I stand."

I'll ELI5 for you since you seem a little lacking in comprehension:

The politician asking the question lumps together issues he has with the game in with real-life issues which Japan is facing in with shrine graffiti, under a broader umbrella of "cultural disregard".

The Prime Minister in his response then divides the issues, which the politician had lumped together, back apart again and addresses them separately:

1) he first indicates that in terms of cultural disregard, he'd need to discuss that with other ministries first. Anyone that follows politics should know that this is a politician's answer, deferring discussion to other people / another time. Probably because he is a boomer who doesn't know about games and social media that well ("to figure it out"), and who doesn't want to risk causing some sort of international dispute by mispeaking.

2) He then says "But graffiti on shrines?" before speaking very plainly in condemning THAT, specifically. Note the use of "but" when he introduces this part, because he's contrasting basically saying "I don't know, we'll need to figure it out" to the first part about games/social media, with the rest of his statement which is a full-throated condemnation about the shrine graffiti.

This really isn't hard.

Ok guys, the Prime Minister loves the game and mentioned shrine vandalism by coincidence in the same meeting where issues raised about the game, yup, make sense, thank you for showing me the light bros

Anyway, this is not what this thread's topic is about so stop derailing it and post your concerns and copes and tears in the other amazing thread about the Prime Minister done also by me, see you there

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/japan%E2%80%99s-prime-minister-ishiba-and-national-diet-members-slam-ubisoft-over-assassin%E2%80%99s-creed-shadows-cultural-disrespect.1681878/

 

[peek]

A couple blatantly racist and homophobic ones.

I mean... yeah it's a weird choice to pick the one black guy to represent your first dip into Japanese culture rich game, when there's plenty of other actually Japanese figures to choose from...

But Ubisoft racist? Maybe lol.

 

[Killer8]

Ok guys, the Prime Minister loves the game and mentioned shrine vandalism by coincidence in the same meeting where issues raised about the game, yup, make sense, thank you for showing me the light bros

The PM doesn't bring it up out of nowhere.

It was already mentioned by the politician asking questions in the minutes prior. It is a separate, real-life issue though, which that politician tried to conflate with issues in the game when he pitched his question to the PM - because he is a Jack Thompson boomer who thinks that shrine destruction in a game will encourage shrine graffiti in real life.

I already mentioned this here:

The politician asking the question lumps issues he has with the game in together with real-life issues which Japan is facing with shrine graffiti, under a broader umbrella of "cultural disregard".

The PM was actually very tactful in separating the two issues apart, unlike yourself and the grifters you get your information from.

EDIT:

Here is a diagram for the room temperature IQ:

 

[vodka-bull]

I think instead of making assumptions I’ll wait for the official news. However for you to assume that anything relating to players versus sales is great, you’re wrong, at least at those levels.

Agree, for what it‘s worth I hope you‘re right and they sold less than a million. I really wish for Ubisoft to make miserable numbers on this one, maybe then suits will stop gambling with Ubisofts shares and Ubisoft can go back to being creative.

 

[Trilobit]

To be honest, from what I played so far, Ubisoft has done a great job representing the Japanese culture.

Would you say you're an expert?

 

[Gamerfan81]

Like I said, a lot of resetera members are still here.

 

[adamsapple]

The PM doesn't bring it up out of nowhere.

It was already mentioned by the politician asking questions in the minutes prior. It is a separate, real-life issue though, which that politician tried to conflate with issues in the game when he pitched his question to the PM - because he is a Jack Thompson boomer who thinks that shrine destruction in a game will encourage shrine graffiti in real life.

I already mentioned this here:



The PM was actually very tactful in separating the two issues apart, unlike yourself and the grifters you get your information from.

EDIT:

Here is a diagram for the room temperature IQ:

 

[FoxMcChief]

Cry babies, lol

 

[Gamerfan81]

What makes you think I haven't played any Assassin's Creed games?

Seems like an easy way to just dismiss what I'm saying without actually engaging with the points I'm bringing up.

I still remember that in 2006 when the woke/sjw mob rear it's ugly head and called Capcom a racist and imperialist company for having Chris Redfield kill a bunch of black zombies in that RE 5 trailer. It was shitstorm on the internet, one of the biggest stories in gaming along with the Wii being released and a trailer of MGS4.

Ahh, good times, now it's "Hey that never happened! Why would anyone have any problems with kllling black zombies! Its just a game!"

 

[Hero_Select]

To be honest, from what I played so far, Ubisoft has done a great job representing the Japanese culture. Yes, Yasuke might be out of place but the rest of the game has been great. I think those people giving bad reviews probably havent touched the game and are repeating the same silly arguments they hear on the internet

I just did the tea ceremony as part of the main quest and I thought it was really well done.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

Would AC:S still be called woke/DEI/pandering if Yasuke was replaced with Nathan Algren?

Pandering, sure, but it would have been hated no less, I imagine, perhaps just by a different group of people.

The whole problem with this game was the devs claiming that they thought they needed to insert a foreigner as the protagonist to allow players to relate with the mystical country of Japan or wahtever, despite that never having been an issue for any previous Assassin's Creed game.

 

[ManaByte]

Pandering, sure, but it would have been hated no less, I imagine, perhaps just by a different group of people.

The whole problem with this game was the devs claiming that they thought they needed to insert a foreigner as the protagonist to allow players to relate with the mystical country of Japan or wahtever, despite that never having been an issue for any previous Assassin's Creed game.

That statement makes no sense because the main character in the game that you play as is a Japanese girl.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

That statement makes no sense because the main character in the game that you play as is a Japanese girl.

Tell that to Ubisoft Quebec's managing director?

Ubisoft Quebec takes lead on feudal Japan-set 'Assassin's Creed Shadows'

Ubisoft's studio in Quebec City is perhaps not as established as its sibling in Montreal.

www.thecanadianpressnews.ca

"What's great about this character is that we can discover Japan through his eyes, the eyes of a foreigner, and most of the players are kind of discovering Japan at the same time. So we felt it's a great opportunity for us," he says.

Seems telling to me that they never really felt compelled to do that with any other AC game. It's probably just a bullshit excuse he made up on the spot, but they've gotta own it.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

Pandering, sure, but it would have been hated no less, I imagine, perhaps just by a different group of people.

The whole problem with this game was the devs claiming that they thought they needed to insert a foreigner as the protagonist to allow players to relate with the mystical country of Japan or wahtever, despite that never having been an issue for any previous Assassin's Creed game.

I bet my third testicle they were betting on the Japanese being too polite to be this upset, and they underestimated how many people had been wanting to play as a Japanese assassin. I was there in the forums and afterschool gatherings where we all use to dream about AC being in Japan and us playing as a cool assassin ninja fighting the Templar infiltration in the Shogunate. Most of us wanted to either play as Hanzo Hattori or be his secret apprentice/master. This was until Ubisoft pretty much crushed our hopes.

 

[ManaByte]

Tell that to Ubisoft Quebec's managing director?

I’m talking about the game that’s out right now that lots of people are playing. The main character in the story is a Japanese girl. Yasuke is a supporting character and doesn’t even enter the story until 1/3rd through the game.

 

[GasparYanga]

A couple blatantly racist and homophobic ones.

It's an unfortunate reality. Few of these sound like the rants of Westerners.....hmm..

 

[ManaByte]

Most of us wanted to either play as Hanzo Hattori or be his secret apprentice/master.

Um…some people actually need to either play the game or read up on the story from people really playing it.

Spoiler

Hattori Hanzo is Naoe’s mentor who knew her Assassin parents and leads her down that path.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

I’m talking about the game that’s out right now that lots of people are playing. The main character in the story is a Japanese girl. Yasuke is a supporting character and doesn’t even enter the story until 1/3rd through the game.

Are you trying to be intellectually dishonest? Maybe at best if you really push it you could say that they both are dual protagonists, but the truth is that the main character is Yasuke. They made this game for his story's sake. Naoe is a sidekick.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

Um…some people actually need to either play the game or read up on the story from people really playing it.

Spoiler

Hattori Hanzo is Naoe’s mentor who knew her Assassin parents and leads her down that path.

I know the spoiler. Nothing I said changes. Don't cherry pick from my post if you're going to quote me.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

I’m talking about the game that’s out right now that lots of people are playing. The main character in the story is a Japanese girl. Yasuke is a supporting character and doesn’t even enter the story until 1/3rd through the game.

Are you not forced to play as both at different parts of the game? Are you not able to play the majority of the game as either character? Seems like it's largely up to the player, although there are many character-specific missions (including the final boss).

 

[PeteBull]

Like I said, a lot of resetera members are still here.

Yup, but thats good, i dont blame them, they got 0 ppl they can discuss stuff on rainbow forum coz any1 outside woke bubble is getting instaban, so ofc they come here and are confronted with views that majority of the world holds, ofc its big shock for them but what u gonna do
What i imagine them looking like when they encounter worldview/opinion that isnt hardcore leftists is like this:

Gotta channel that liberal emotions after all

 

[ManaByte]

Are you not forced to play as both at different parts of the game?

In the Prologue you play as both, but then Naoe takes over. You can freely switch between them starting in Act 2 if you want, but it’s not forced.

Are you not able to play the majority of the game as either character? Seems like it's largely up to the player, although there are many character-specific missions (including the final boss).

It doesn’t change the story though. The story is about Naoe’s quest for revenge and becoming an Assassin in the Brotherhood. Yasuke is just a supporting character in that story.

s, but the truth is that the main character is Yasuke

That’s 100% false.

 

[reinking]

Yup, but thats good, i dont blame them, they got 0 ppl they can discuss stuff on rainbow forum coz any1 outside woke bubble is getting instaban, so ofc they come here and are confronted with views that majority of the world holds, ofc its big shock for them but what u gonna do
What i imagine them looking like when they encounter worldview/opinon that isnt hardcore leftists is like this:

Gotta channel that liberal emotions after all

I know another way *some of them can release that stress. I only charge $2,000 and include a nice dinner.


just saying

 

[Wilhelm_85]

It doesn’t change the story though. The story is about Naoe’s quest for revenge and becoming an Assassin in the Brotherhood. Yasuke is just a supporting character in that story.

The way the game ends indicates to me that it's just as much Yasuke's story as Naoe's... But OK, I think we can agree to disagree on this.

 

[PeteBull]

I know another way *some of them can release that stress. I only charge $2,000 and include a nice dinner.


just saying

Dunno man, i watched that vid and few need some bootcamp, not a dinner, one had bigger belly than a sumo wrestler

 

[reinking]

Dunno man, i watched that vid and few need some bootcamp, not a dinner, one had bigger belly than a sumo wrestler

*some

 

[ManaByte]

The way the game ends indicates to me that it's just as much Yasuke's story as Naoe's... But OK, I think we can agree to disagree on this.

I’m basing this on 26 hours in the game, not cherry picked spoilers.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I said it once and I’ll say it again. They should have just added a detailed character creation mode like Ronin did with a male and female protagonist if you are going the dual protagonist route to make people happy. You can even create 2 male or female protagonists if you like. I feel this would have avoided most of the controversies.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

I’m basing this on 26 hours in the game, not cherry picked spoilers.

So, no amount of Yasuke-exclusive missions that you may be yet forced to play, and no matter how the game ends, your opinion at 26 hours is set in stone and puts you in a position to speak definitively about the game's story and presentation?

 

[sendit]

Limit in terms of culture respect. Why do you think Japan prime minister himself complained about the destruction of temples in the game

I hope a mod puts this back in the game so i can defile every shrine in the game.

 

[ManaByte]

So, no amount of Yasuke-exclusive missions that you may be yet forced to play, and no matter how the game ends, your opinion at 26 hours is set in stone and puts you in a position to speak definitively about the game's story and presentation?

I know for a fact I’m further into the game than some “reviewers” got. What I say doesn’t matter, people don’t want to believe reality.

 

[seb85]

I hope a mod puts this back in the game so i can defile every shrine in the game.

Good for you
It fits your 10 years old brain

 

[Wilhelm_85]

I know for a fact I’m further into the game than some “reviewers” got. What I say doesn’t matter, people don’t want to believe reality.

Are you telling me the endless amount of footage on YouTube, etc., including basically full playthroughs, is not "reality" when it comes to verifying the topic of our discussion?

 

[sendit]

Good for you
It fits your 10 years old brain

Sure. Also hoping for a hot coffee mod between the two protagonists.

 

[San Dan Glokta]

So, no amount of Yasuke-exclusive missions that you may be yet forced to play, and no matter how the game ends, your opinion at 26 hours is set in stone and puts you in a position to speak definitively about the game's story and presentation?

This dude has chosen the hill of AC: Shadows to die on. His self worth and life mission are embedded in this game

 

[ManaByte]

This dude has chosen the hill of AC: Shadows to die on. His self worth and life mission are embedded in this game

It’s my favorite game series forgive me for actually playing a video game instead of making up bullshit about it for culture wars.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

It’s my favorite game series forgive me for actually playing a video game instead of making up bullshit about it for culture wars.

It is one of my favorites as well, right through Valhalla at least. At least we can celebrate that!

 

[ManaByte]

It is one of my favorites as well, right through Valhalla at least. At least we can celebrate that!

Well Shadows is the best one. Easily.

 

[EviLore]

First 25 hours:



What in the world are you talking about Mana

 

[ManaByte]

What in the world are you talking about Mana

You don’t even get access to Yasuke until you finish Act 1.

 

[EviLore]

You don’t even get access to Yasuke until you finish Act 1.

There's a ton of Yasuke in there. Stop gaslighting everyone and gatekeeping.

 

[ManaByte]

There's a ton of Yasuke in there. Stop gaslighting everyone and gatekeeping.

I’m not gaslighting. The person playing that chose to switch to him. The story is about Naoe. But whatever.

 

[MMaRsu]

There's a ton of Yasuke in there. Stop gaslighting everyone and gatekeeping.

I'm not that far into the story, still the first chapter. But you play as him for five minutes in the intro, and after that I havent seen him anymore. 15 hours in now.

I can see how people say Naoe is the main character, even if there is a choice to switch to him later. You're definitely not presented with that choice at all untill you finish the first chapter I assume.

 

[Wilhelm_85]

Well Shadows is the best one. Easily.

That's good to hear coming from a genuine fan of the series. I'll probably check it out around Christmas time or as soon as there is a 75%+ off sale.

I just can't support the choices they made for this one at full price. At the same time, I don't want to see Ubisoft or the series crash out completely. I'm hoping it sells just well enough to keep them afloat, but also make them realize they need to seriously reevaluate the way they've been operating these last few years.

 

[adamsapple]

There's a ton of Yasuke in there. Stop gaslighting everyone and gatekeeping.

I think the original batch of marketing, or people's focus, was too heavily leaning towards the Yasuke part. But after an initial 20 min prologue, the bulk of the game (in as far as I've played at least) has been exclusively Naoe. The game itself seems to lean a lot more towards Naoe in terms of who the focal point of the narrative is.

 

[MMaRsu]

Also the Yasuke gameplay from what Ive seen isnt exactly "Assassins Creed" type gameplay.

Im not excited to play as him tbh. But people have said hes easy mode so who knows, it might be fun

 

[Jinxed]

Like I said, a lot of resetera members are still here.

They were probably banned over there because they werent crazy enough, just enough crazy for us to notice them here yeah

 

[March Climber]

I'm not that far into the story, still the first chapter. But you play as him for five minutes in the intro, and after that I havent seen him anymore. 15 hours in now.

I can see how people say Naoe is the main character, even if there is a choice to switch to him later. You're definitely not presented with that choice at all untill you finish the first chapter I assume.

I think the original batch of marketing, or people's focus, was too heavily leaning towards the Yasuke part. But after an initial 20 min prologue, the bulk of the game (in as far as I've played at least) has been exclusively Naoe. The game itself seems to lean a lot more towards Naoe in terms of who the focal point of the narrative is.

So that this is 100% clarified for the thread, you are both stating that after Yasuke's first foray, you can still play as him, however the cutscenes for the rest of the chapter belong exclusively to Naoe?

 

[adamsapple]

So that this is 100% clarified for the thread, you are both stating that after Yasuke's first foray, you can still play as him, however the cutscenes for the rest of the chapter belong exclusively to Naoe?

No, so far the game has exclusively been about Naoe for me (after the prologue), I have not gotten to a point where the two characters have met or there has been an option to do a characer swap.

It's been a couple of hours for me playing just as Naoe and doing her story stuff.