Yep if this game sells 10 million it will be $500K for MS & $200K for PlayStation but this is ignoring the people who will be buying PS5 because it has the best of both worlds now & also buying more software & accessories for PlayStation 5.
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Yep if this game sells 10 million it will be $500K for MS & $200K for PlayStation but this is ignoring the people who will be buying PS5 because it has the best of both worlds now & also buying more software & accessories for PlayStation 5.
Little Chicken
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They should've ported 3 and 4 instead, both are better than FH5.
Zacfoldor
Member
MS sells gamepass at full price on Xbox. Nearly everyone who gets an Xbox will participate to some extent in gamepass.
If MS gets rid of Xbox then it will only have PC/IOT users that can access gamepass. Gamepass adoption on PC has been tenuous, for example MS charges less on PC for the service vs console. PC users also much more likely to interrupt the service on months they don't use it. Currently without console subs it is unsustainable. Difficult to visualize significantly quickly increasing gamepass subs on PC if you are Microsoft and you no longer have the console buffer. Gamepass is trying to be semi-self sustainable and needs to generate more money per sub not less.
MS has plans to kill off Steam and take over the PC space. However, if they got rid of their console today they would only kill off gamepass. They believe more time with console cycles will allow them to better position themselves in the market and keep gamepass alive until they are in a position to take on Steam.
The issue is that people have stopped buying their hardware. It is still unknown if there is a loyal fanbase that will buy the next one. If not, perhaps they can offer a competitive advantage. The best idea they have been able to come up with so far for competition advantage for next hardware:
1. Allow Steam on the device(I shit you not, despite all of the above they want to use steam to promote their next console)
2. "largest technical leap"
3. Portable Switch Clone
They will probably come in a collection later.
Bringing 3 and 4 to PS5 would come with enhancements and would be hurtful for Xbox Series owners that didn't get an enhanced version of the games.
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Little Chicken
Gold Member
FH4 was enhanced already. FH3 is an Xbox One game so any enhancements would benefit both consoles.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
Looking at the sales charts and how big this game is that’s roughly what I’m betting on.
Microsoft so not care, they make billions each year from Playstation gamers.
Strange Phil was crying about that 30% being used to make Xbox smaller
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
People need to remember that Sony expected to make around $450 million in selling games on PC in 2023. So $200 million from FH5 alone would be NUTS!!!! Especially considering they are spending $0 to have it on their console. It's all profit!
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
They’re not ceos if they’re not trying improve profits every quarter this isn’t Microsoft exclusive it’s every company. It would be 5% and they would still complain again.
Sooner
Member
At what cost? Not only are they only making 70% of what they'd get selling the game on Xbox, they are causing fewer and fewer people to buy Xbox.
When that happens, they go from getting 100% on first-party games and 30% on every other game, to 70% and absolutely nothing. That 30% is the entire purpose of the console and the closed ecosystem.
That is the same split as Steam, BTW. Which is why PC gaming is absolutely NOT an Xbox, as far as Microsoft is concerned.
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reinking
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Wait until they start losing Game Pass subs because people are moving over to PlayStation. That is when it is going to hurt and that is exactly why they are going to launch another console. Unfortunately, I am starting to get a sense that even some of their biggest fans no longer trust them. I am still looking forward to seeing what their next move is. I am not convinced I will buy their next console but I will definitely keep an open mind if they announce something different.
Mattyp
Not the YouTuber
Cost of what to their business exactly they’re turning over more revenue than ever before? Their software sales continue to climb massively while hardware is at its lowest point it’s ever been. You must be seeing something in the financials that the rest of us aren’t, where’s the decline? It’s only grown.
A lot of us will continue to get xbox consoles no matter what because of gamepass, that is the selling point of the console. They will continue to sell their 40 million consoles each gen and accept that until cloud based gaming really takes over.
playstations only exclusive Astrobot doesn’t interest me and it will be the first generation I don’t pick up one of their consoles, each person has a different taste in gaming.
Unknown?
Member
No one gives a shit about in house, your fanboy drivel that puts boundaries on games is laughable. 2nd party is just as important than in house games.
bender
What time is it?
4 is the same as 5 but with a much worse map.
Team Andromeda
Member
Stating the factual differences between a game that is developed In-House to one that is not, is hardy fanboy drivel.
No, he was wrong. Thats all...
Sony
Nintendo
There is one problem with this math: they're not selling on Xbox. The 30% revenue cut is peanuts compared to the massive install base on PS5.
To but it bluntly, 100% times 1 million is less than 70% times 5 million.
There is no amount of exclusive games that can help Xbox outsell PS.
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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When did I say Helldivers 2 was developed in-house? The weird part is you're trying to use "in-house" as a means to discredit SIE of the game or denigrate their attachment with the game itself, which is just nonsensical to do.
You mean the in-house games from studios MS threw > $80 billion to acquire? Funny how that part conveniently keeps getting left out :/
Hey you're the one who's suddenly enabled to boast about Xbox being a "big publisher" for 2025 because the publisher angle conveniently works for Microsoft now. You just switched to the publisher angle right as Microsoft did, so who's the fanboy here?
Team Andromeda
Member
When did I say Helldivers 2 was developed in-house? The weird part is you're trying to use "in-house" as a means to discredit SIE of the game or denigrate their attachment with the game itself, which is just nonsensical to do.
You mean the in-house games from studios MS threw > $80 billion to acquire? Funny how that part conveniently keeps getting left out :/
Hey you're the one who's suddenly enabled to boast about Xbox being a "big publisher" for 2025 because the publisher angle conveniently works for Microsoft now. You just switched to the publisher angle right as Microsoft did, so who's the fanboy here?
You quoted me and responded to me when I was talking about In-House And as for your pathetic Fanboy drivel.... Doom Dark Ages, Avowed, and South Of Midnight owe nothing to the Activision deal and that line is a far bigger In-House lineup to SONY 2025 and you can't take it.
Guy literally wears Sega and Xbox pants and pretends not to be a fanboy. Ignore the guy.Hey you're the one who's suddenly enabled to boast about Xbox being a "big publisher" for 2025 because the publisher angle conveniently works for Microsoft now. You just switched to the publisher angle right as Microsoft did, so who's the fanboy here?
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
That is some lunacy to try claiming Avowed and South of Midnight are bigger deals than Ghosts of Yotei, which last I remember is scheduled for 2025. Heck, an Astro Bot expansion would be a bigger deal than both of those games all things considered.
Also kind of premature to act as if SIE have fully revealed their 2025 line-up; again it's like you guys forget 2024 ever happened, and it was just last year!
He posts some good stuff in retro SEGA threads, but takes like the ones they've got in this thread? Big yikes
Even more so considering I've got a big soft spot for old-school SEGA as well.
Team Andromeda
Member
You're such a fanboy you're making stuff up.That is some lunacy to try claiming Avowed and South of Midnight are bigger deals than Ghosts of Yotei, which last I remember is scheduled for 2025. Heck, an Astro Bot expansion would be a bigger deal than both of those games all things considered.
Also kind of premature to act as if SIE have fully revealed their 2025 line-up; again it's like you guys forget 2024 ever happened, and it was just last year!
He posts some good stuff in retro SEGA threads, but takes like the ones they've got in this thread? Big yikes
Even more so considering I've got a big soft spot for old-school SEGA as well.
Overlooking I doubt you even played Avowed none of us have played the other games and one isn't on about 'how good a game might be' but the number of In-House titles coming this year from Xbox and SONY... on that score Xbox is ahead this year, so spare us the lunacy remarks. Also, it's kind of premature to act like Xbox won't show off more games at its showcase in June, so keep it coming ....
And I'm a proud SEGA fanboy, not that means anything here...
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Making what up? Where's the proof?
How many copies do you think Avowed has sold? What were the MC scores? When you're trying to say a game like Avowed is going to be "bigger and better" than anything SIE publishes this year, most of us are going to think you're going by one or both of those metrics. Who cares about the 10 people who played Avowed and call it their GOTG?
And again "in-house"; let's be honest, you're only using that term because MS finally have a substantial number of studios in their ownership, even if they purchased 90% of them. And it probably still irritates you that you can't use that talking point to console war, because Xbox console hardware is effectively dead this generation, there is no "war" on that front anymore. So now you're shifting to a "publisher war", and that's why things like "in-house" software suddenly matters.
As always, at the end of the day, quantity doesn't matter: quality does. 2024 was supposed to be "the year" for Xbox, right? Well what happened? Hellblade II came and went as one of the biggest disappointments of the decade. Soo much potential to be clearly above the original game which was already quite decent; instead it was a regression and has practically killed most enthusiasm for the IP if we're being honest. What about Forza Motorsport, the "GT7 killer"? Well it killed itself instead with half-baked modes and underwhelming graphics despite not being cross-gen. I won't be surprised if MS never bothers to port it; that's how embarrassed top brass likely are of the game & Turn 10 internally.
A sizable basket of games from MS in 2024 yet, somehow, just two titles published by SIE managed to outperform all of them in critical reception among critics & fans, and outsell all of them aside from COD. In fact it's still a toss-up if COD outsold Helldivers 2 for 2024 IMO; let's wait for some actual sales figures before claiming that a win for MW3. Which, we would've gotten those sales figures if ABK were still an independent 3P publisher :/
As a SEGA fan, I say you're rinsed bro.
FlyyGOD
Member
They are not even the same type of game. What are you talking about gameplay wise? One is an arcade racer the other is a simulation.
True but he’s right about GT7 smelling its own farts.
MMaRsu
Gold Member
I dont think soThe first 2 Horizon games from Sony has probably already outsold the whole Horizon franchise from Microsoft by now.
Team Andromeda
Member
Simple. I only talked about the 'number' of In-House games this year, not how 'good' they are.
Ahhh... So that's the real reason you're so upset & making stuff up and system bashing. You can't take it that someone else has more In-House studios than SONY, beyond pathetic.
BYE, BYE !!!
REDRZA MWS
Member
Has their “platform”, failed? When you consider windows pc’s alone outnumber all consoles from all manufacturers? Now selling software on even more platforms? Yeah I don’t think so. They are taking in cash PC alone. Adding PS and Switch is simply more revenue.
HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
You are wasting your time, brother. It will be the same circle-go-round with that one, taking no responsibility for misunderstanding a post and will never back anything up!
Trust me, been on the end of that pointless trek before!
Kerotan
Member
With Death Stranding now on the Horizon I'm now going to hold off on horizon and doom. I did get age of mythology and will hold off on Indiana as well. First half of this year went from empty to very crowded in no time.
Are they all terrified GTA VI is coming second half this year?
Are they all terrified GTA VI is coming second half this year?
Insanemaelstrom
Member
Death stranding 2 was always coming early 2025, gta6 or not, imo. Sony seems to be only showing trailers for games that are a year out at most. Ghost of yotei is also scheduled for later this year, not to mention any suprise release Sony might have( like last year's astrobot).
Kerotan
Member
Personally I hope for Ghost this fall and GTA VI in 2026. But they might be waiting to see is GTA this holiday to delay Ghost to next year.
mayham2199
Member
No they aren't. Their revenue fell 7%.
Xbox Revenue Falls 7% Year-on-Year, Hardware Revenue Drops 29%
Microsoft has released its earnings report for the second quarter of the 2025 fiscal year, which ended up December 31, [...]
www.vgchartz.com
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I think Ghost will come out in early September this year with GTA6 coming out late October or early November.
Kvally
Member
I buy Xbox consoles for Xbox games, and I buy PS consoles for PS games. I don't give a shit about Game Pass. And Game Pass is 10-15% of the game content revenue. Plenty of us (majority) are buying games.
Wait... why would anyone who is subscribed to gamepass leave xbox, only to have to pay full price for xbox games on switch 2 or PS5 when they were already getting those games as part of the service? If you're a fan of gamepass, you are kind of locked into xbox unless you go to PC or gamepass becomes available on switch 2 or ps5, which i don't see happening.
reinking
Gold Member
Because if Xbox becomes a "PC" and prices the mass market console gamers out of buying the next Xbox console, those console gamers will go to another console. People acting like console gamers no longer exist or will just move to PC because of the new narrative have lost their minds.
Sooner
Member
laynelane
Member
I've seen a lot of "if you really love games" and "if you're a real gamer" - you'll game on PC drivel too. As MS continues to move away from consoles, we're going to see more and more of this anti-console rhetoric. As someone who started gaming in arcades and now on console, it's all very transparent and tiresome. I'm just thankful these online narratives don't shape real world sales or market share.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Both games are delisted there is a very low chance that they will jump through all the hoops and pay all the fees to get the rights again.
They will for paying customers
RetroGamingUK
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TBiddy
Member
Was it you that liked that shitty-ass tweet?
Seomel
Member
Lmao, I forgot that xbox fanboy. God, 2020 was so fun with all console war bs and fake news
Skifi28
Member
Car licencing for older games is hell and not worth whatever they could potentially make. It's the reason you will never be seeing a GT2/3/4/5/6 collection despite how much money it could potentially make. I don't think a re-release of older Forza games is realistic, they'll just try to funnel people into FH6 instead.They will for paying customers
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thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
But you only talked about "in-house" because it's something you felt was to the advantage of your preferred platform/publisher. You probably don't even realize that's the reason, but it's the likely one.
When did I system bash Xbox? Being honest isn't bashing; it's just telling the truth. Quality > Quantity. You focused on Quantity. I proved to you that Quantity means little if fewer can achieve more through better perceived Quality.
It's a fact that Helldivers 2 outsold basically every game MS released last year. It may have even outsold MW3; if not it's come very close. It's a fact Astro Bot was rated better than every game MS released last year, sold better than Indiana Jones despite being on fewer platforms, etc.
Doesn't take a lot to prove these things :/
You are wasting your time, brother. It will be the same circle-go-round with that one, taking no responsibility for misunderstanding a post and will never back anything up!
Trust me, been on the end of that pointless trek before!
But we have the technology. We can rebuild him!
Most Windows PCs aren't used for gaming. Even among the ones that are, people aren't using the Microsoft Store or Game Pass to access those games; they're using storefronts like Steam.
You're comparing sales of a non-console platform against console platforms as if they're similar, when they aren't. Completely different product types; that's like comparing a Swiss army knife to a portable heater.
No. You. Aren't.
C'mon, stop using your anecdotal as some type of mass-market proof. We have software sales numbers from various markets: Xbox B2P is either dead or dying. We have leaked platform splits from companies like Capcom: Xbox might as well not even exist.
Only a limited range of game types & IPs do particularly well on Xbox consoles these days.
Same here. And MS is directly to blame for these narratives because they spent years peddling FUD through astroturfing, they've had Phil Spencer peddling talking points feeding off some of that FUD, and websites like IGN continue platforming people like Ryan McCaffery who are basically just mouth pieces for Xbox corporate.
If MS didn't have Windows, you can bet these "real gamers play on PC" talks wouldn't exist, or wouldn't be nearly as prominent as they are.
He's switched over to PlayStation since last year IIRC.
Roman Empire
Member
FH5 will take all the sales from things like The Crew Motorsport as it is basically the only viable alternative on PS5. Sony skipping arcade racing on PS5 is stupid as it wouldn't pose a threat to GT7 in any way. I'm just glad PS players get to play FH, but I still wish they could have brought FH4 as it is leagues better than FH5.
Kvally
Member
YES. WE. ARE.
MS already confirmed that 10-15% of their game content revenue comes from Game Pass. The other 85-90% comes from retail sales of games and DLC. That is market proof directly from MS. Nobody mentioned some chart in a market about platform splits. That has nothing to do with retail game sales on a single platform.
The anecodotal here is your comment comparing Xbox retail sales of games to competing systems. If 85-90% retail sales of games and DLC B2P is dead, well you are the first to ever mention that.
