The Verge: PS5 owners really want to play Xbox games, as Microsoft tops Sony’s preorder charts

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I am curious why some folks are being ultra specific now tho.

In-house has been doing alot of heavy lifting lately.


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It shows that a lot of the console warring over the last several years is completely disingenuous. MS has lots of great games. They have a great subscription service. A lot of PS gamers are just never going to budge or ever move out of their ecosystem, no matter what the competition does. Pretty much what a lot of us have suspected for a while.

Doesn't matter at this point in terms of console warring, but it shows the real motivating factors for consumer behavior.
It just means there is little else releasing, so Xbox has a spotlight atm.

The only major title on PS releasing up until this summer is Death Stranding 2.
 
So convenient of you guys to shift to "in-house" after your $3 trillion megacorp purchased two of the biggest 3P publishers back-to-back, now just signing games that were already being made with the MS logo at the end.

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Not to mention Sony literally bankrolled Kojima since its existence and is directly responsible for sharing tools and resources,

Unlike other studios that were literally already 3P and were simply bought outright
 
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Matsuchezz

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The truth of the matter is that Playstation users were always able to play the majority of games that now are being "allowed" to be released on PS5. Because Bethesda and Activision games were published on Sony platforms, well before Microsoft acquired them. They were not Xbox games in the past, they were multiplatform games. After Phil Spencer's stategy failed once again, Nadella stepped in and dictated that all games should be published everywhere., now Sony charges them 30% per game sold on their platform.
 
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Any time a new AAA game gets announced it immediately goes to the top the pre-order charts. Not say Xbox games won't sell. Forza 5 should do amazing. Probably not Indy, as it bombed pretty hard on Xbox. Pre-order charts don't indicate sales success
What are you basing this on? From what I read they have already green lit a sequel at Disney's request. I read somewhere that they have topped 4 million players on Steam and Xbox.
 
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It shows that a lot of the console warring over the last several years is completely disingenuous. MS has lots of great games. They have a great subscription service. A lot of PS gamers are just never going to budge or ever move out of their ecosystem, no matter what the competition does. Pretty much what a lot of us have suspected for a while.

Doesn't matter at this point in terms of console warring, but it shows the real motivating factors for consumer behavior.
This man speaks the truth.
 

QLQ

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False.

Indiana Jones (acquired by Bethesda) and Forza Horizon are really their only noteworthy titles they’ve released this entire generation.

It’s a pretty paltry output, and that’s why many people did not feel compelled to buy an Xbox

MS needed to have compelling titles every year since launch and they woefully underperformed on that front, with Phil needing to run an apology tour multiple times after missteps along the way
And I don't even know how an Indiana Jones game got greenlit. It's been a dead franchise for almost 2 decades now. I mean, to quote Harrison Ford "Who gives a shit?"
 

Mibu no ookami

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Sure... but Flight Simulator when?

The next MS quarterly earnings report is in a month. There's little reason to believe they're going to get any positive news from the gaming segment in that report. I fully expect that we'll see Microsoft get more aggressive, but the question is how aggressive and how soon.

I'm sure that Spencer is pushing for time here to wait until after GTA6 releases, but we'll see how much pressure the board puts on Xbox to deliver sooner than that.
 

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It shows that a lot of the console warring over the last several years is completely disingenuous. MS has lots of great games. They have a great subscription service. A lot of PS gamers are just never going to budge or ever move out of their ecosystem, no matter what the competition does. Pretty much what a lot of us have suspected for a while.

Doesn't matter at this point in terms of console warring, but it shows the real motivating factors for consumer behavior.
Since we are just guessing at theories one could say it is just as likely that previous Xbox owners are buying these games.
 
What are you basing this on? From what I read they have already green lit a sequel at Disney's request. I read somewhere that they have topped 4 million players on Steam and Xbox.
4mil on Steam and Xbox is not good when it is a free download on Gamepass. Indy's budget is surely 100+mil and that is before the cost of licensing fees. Hi-Fi Rush had 2.5mil players and it had a fraction of the budget. Studio got shut down

And of course Disney has greenlit a potential sequel. It is free money for them if it ever gets made. Microsoft pays for development and licensing fees. The Indy IP is dead in the water, with the movie tanking 2 years ago. I would be shocked if there ever is a sequel.

I really enjoyed the game, btw. It felt like you were playing a blockbuster Hollywood movie. Great all around
 

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It shows that a lot of the console warring over the last several years is completely disingenuous. MS has lots of great games. They have a great subscription service. A lot of PS gamers are just never going to budge or ever move out of their ecosystem, no matter what the competition does. Pretty much what a lot of us have suspected for a while.

Doesn't matter at this point in terms of console warring, but it shows the real motivating factors for consumer behavior.
It only took a few posts before the Xbox persecution complex appeared.
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The next MS quarterly earnings report is in a month. There's little reason to believe they're going to get any positive news from the gaming segment in that report. I fully expect that we'll see Microsoft get more aggressive, but the question is how aggressive and how soon.

I'm sure that Spencer is pushing for time here to wait until after GTA6 releases, but we'll see how much pressure the board puts on Xbox to deliver sooner than that.
You think the next quarterly earnings report will determine the direction? I think the decisions have all been made 6-9 months ago. They just haven't revealed them
 
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Lets get to the real issue.

Sony dropped the fucking ball this generation with getting enough software to support their platform. They made a great piece of Tech in the PS5 while it's first party lineup has been very few and very far between. They gambled on that bullshit GAAS and it burned their assholes. Look at Sony first party releases before the PS5 and compare on each platform, it's not even close. Sony players are starving for new stuff to play because Sony and it's first parties take a century to release games.
 
Having the interest or being able to afford multiple consoles is a luxury not everyone has. Ofc Sony/Nintendo fans will probably have a lot of interest in these franchises they never got to experience, just not at the cost of going outside of the one console they were most interested in.

Anyways, I hope they sell well. Pivoting to just software was the right (only?) choice where they should find a whole lot more success. Something to consider when deciding how hard to go in on future hardware.
 

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Lets get to the real issue.

Sony dropped the fucking ball this generation with getting enough software to support their platform. They made a great piece of Tech in the PS5 while it's first party lineup has been very few and very far between. They gambled on that bullshit GAAS and it burned their assholes. Look at Sony first party releases before the PS5 and compare on each platform, it's not even close. Sony players are starving for new stuff to play because Sony and it's first parties take a century to release games.
PS4 had a bad first half, it gets looked at fondly because of the second half.

Also you say this after they had tons of exclusives last ye.... Oh they have to be first party to count. Man, guess that list of PS2 games for holiday 2001 is trash because most of them weren't first party!
 
These games aren’t console sellers.

Doesn’t mean they won’t do well on PlayStation.

Yeah I know, that's true. But places like The Verge make it sound like PS owners are starving for these games due to some gaming drought or something. If that were ever even partly true, PS5 sales would be a lot worst off than they are.

Clickbait's annoying so I'm not surprised Tom Warren wrote the article.

It's a copium PR puff piece lol.

The writer gives it away.

It only took a few posts before the Xbox persecution complex appeared.
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It doesn't even make sense because nothing they said is objectively true. If it were the console would have sold much better than it did. MS now have a lot of great games...because they purchased Zenimax & ABK. Where were all these great XGS games? Forza Motorsport was an embarrassment, Everwild is MIA, Perfect Dark still isn't out, Hellblade II was a wet fart, Pentiment wasn't going to do much. Did Grounded ever come out of beta? Halo Infinite forced the entire IP to reset, Gears 5 didn't revitalize that IP and it's doing a soft reboot. Is Contraband dead?

Where is the great service they're talking about? The one that had its price raised multiple times over the years and cut out loopholes most diehards were abusing to avoid paying for it? What happened to all those big 3P AAA Day 1 releases people were looking forward to? It's like Shawn Layden recently said, Game Pass only really makes business sense for Microsoft, not 3P devs or pubs. That's why they had to buy Zenimax & ABK.

Pretending that PS-only gamers would have ignored Xbox if MS knew how to successfully run a console platform is wild, since they did exactly that during the 360. The only thing that changed between then and now is worst leadership and less effort to be competitive in ways most gamers care about. Myself and I'm sure many others thought Xbox had a real shot at building back some real momentum back in 2020 and 2021.

Afterwards, lockdowns ended and PlayStation supply finally started getting decent again. SIE finally started releasing some of their bigger games. In hindsight, this gen Xbox only looked competitive when PlayStation was at its most constrained (mostly be factors outside of Sony's control). Once that was over MS's house of cards started falling apart and them buying ABK ended up destroying the rest.

At least for the console, anyway.
 

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It only took a few posts before the Xbox persecution complex appeared.
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Nothing to do with a persecution complex. If the games sucked, they wouldn't suddenly be best sellers. It's just making the point that digital distribution and friend lists have locked people into their systems. This is undeniably true. Steam dominates near complete loyalty even with Epic giving endless free games and it just being a different launcher on the same PC that costs nothing. PS dominates. People are locked in. Consumers locking in is almost the defining characteristic of this entire generation. That is my theory. Has nothing to do with whatever you're having a meltdown about.

Since we are just guessing at theories one could say it is just as likely that previous Xbox owners are buying these games.
You're certainly entitled to your theory. I won't be having a meltdown about it.
 
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Lets get to the real issue.

Sony dropped the fucking ball this generation with getting enough software to support their platform. They made a great piece of Tech in the PS5 while it's first party lineup has been very few and very far between. They gambled on that bullshit GAAS and it burned their assholes. Look at Sony first party releases before the PS5 and compare on each platform, it's not even close. Sony players are starving for new stuff to play because Sony and it's first parties take a century to release games.
I'm not starving for anything. I have to much to play right now that I don't even care what Sony is doing. I just started playing GT7 and Lies of P.
 

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You think the next quarterly earnings report will determine the direction? I think the decisions have all been made 6-9 months ago. They just haven't revealed them

I don't think it determines the direction. I think it will determine the timing.

Big difference for Microsoft releasing Halo and Gears BEFORE or AFTER GTA6 releases. Doing so before will result in significantly fewer consoles sold as a byproduct of GTA6. By differing to AFTER GTA6 launches, not only will you sell more consoles, but you'll sell more versions of GTA6 on Xbox and future software and subscriptions.

It would not take long for Microsoft to get Halo MCC ready for PS5. They're clearly holding back to reduce impact to brand. It's no surprise that Forza was the first domino to drop.

Gears E-Day is coming out in 2026, but we're likely to see Gears Trilogy hit PS5 before that. So the question becomes how long before?
 

laynelane

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It shows that a lot of the console warring over the last several years is completely disingenuous. MS has lots of great games. They have a great subscription service. A lot of PS gamers are just never going to budge or ever move out of their ecosystem, no matter what the competition does. Pretty much what a lot of us have suspected for a while.

Doesn't matter at this point in terms of console warring, but it shows the real motivating factors for consumer behavior.

Do you think people owe MS and Xbox a chance? It sounds like because you enjoy MS' offerings, you believe other people should invest in their ecosystem. As well, one of the key motivating factors for consumer behavior is whether their needs and wants are being met. I think that's why Sony and Nintendo have done so well.
 

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Any time a new AAA game gets announced it immediately goes to the top the pre-order charts. Not say Xbox games won't sell. Forza 5 should do amazing. Probably not Indy, as it bombed pretty hard on Xbox. Pre-order charts don't indicate sales success
Anytime? Are you sure? What about triple A games like dragon age that flopped on pstore? Maybe you mean anytime a good game jump in psn store
 
Or maybe gamers would like to play all games on one console instead of spending $1,300.00 a gen to play everything on console? This isn't specific to PlayStation. Another clickbait article by a clickbait website.
 

SkylineRKR

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These games are legit good and its kind of novel to play them on PS5 for now.

I doubt Redfall would top the charts. Hi Fi Rush also kind of went nowhere on PS5 though really fun.
 
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